Topic: Gains

[Cloud Strife]

I'm hoping very experienced lifters can comment on this. Assuming that a lifter has ideal training conditions, how much can he or she gain in his or her total in a year?

If a lifter is a recreational lifter... what can he or she gain in a year, realistically speaking?

[TheRedReaper]

Khoi, I think you are probably more experienced than most people here, so why don't you have the smarts to figure it out for yourself.
 
I am sorry I do not satisfy your experience criteria, but I believe the answer is fairly simple. It depends on how close you are to you max genetic potential. Hossein Rezazadeh, in the four years between 2000 and 2004, only improved his clean and jerk by about 17 kilo. That's only a few kilo per year. That does not mean that is how much everyone can improve by, however. Hossein was simply too close to his genetic potential and there was no more room for improvement. That is the state of an elite athlete.
 
But a novice might improve lifts by 10 kilo per month. Intermediate will achieve about 5 kilo increases. Advanced lifters will still get a few kilo out per month. Elite lifters aim for yearly improvements of rarely more than 5 kilo, I believe. Though ultimately, it depends on entirely whether or not your current training has pushed you close enough to your genetic potential. Has it? If you feel you could improve 20 kilo next year, maybe you could. You'll never know if you don't try.
 
(I advise to try)

[Arturo Gómez]

In think impossible to define a generical rate. If you are a full - time athlete, is like TheRedReaper says


If not, you may be improving your records with a great rate, but a new work, an academical projetc, etc. cut that progression before it naturally falls.

[movmasty]

I'm hoping very experienced lifters can comment on this. Assuming that a lifter has ideal training conditions, how much can he or she gain in his or her total in a year?

If a lifter is a recreational lifter... what can he or she gain in a year, realistically speaking?

Too generic, are you talking about boys of 13yrs or man of 33? beginners/advanced?

But lets assume that you are talking about a young man that trained discontinuily and now want to do seriously,
he lifts about 50/55% of his actual class records
1st year 15/20kg
2nd year 10/15kg
3rd year 10/15kg
4rt year  7.5/10kg
For the snatch, % of c&j is 25% more.
when one reaches over the 85% of his class progress become difficult

A young beginner of 14 years could improve more than 40kg in the first year
An athlete that set a record could face problems to just keep that level
and a progress of 2/3kg needs a careful programming of 4yrs of training

[movmasty]

263.5-260=17 ??

[TheRedReaper]

263.5-260=17 ??

My bad. I thought he won in 2000 with only 250 clean and jerk. In any case, this means he only improved 1 kilo per year...

[TheRedReaper]

But lets assume that you are talking about a young man that trained discontinuily and now want to do seriously,
he lifts about 50/55% of his actual class records
1st year 15/20kg
2nd year 10/15kg
3rd year 10/15kg
4rt year  7.5/10kg
For the snatch, % of c&j is 25% more.
when one reaches over the 85% of his class progress become difficult

A young beginner of 14 years could improve more than 40kg in the first year
An athlete that set a record could face problems to just keep that level
and a progress of 2/3kg needs a careful programming of 4yrs of training

Is this under full time training? Assuming the athlete is capable of coping with fatigue and has high end recovery, I think more is possible.
 
My point is, why is a teen so much higher? Yes, teens are still growing so they naturally are going to get stronger because their weight class is constantly going up. But that aside, someone in their early 20's would still have the same potential for progress until they get to the same high end, no>?