Topic: Adrenal Fatigue / Depression / Overtraining

[Arturo Gómez]

I agree, but I saw many people in latinoamerica following plans without adjustement and feedback. With the obvious consequences.

[movmasty]

The body has a thing called 'omeostasis' that is to keep its equilibrium,
it doesnt have the means to change drastically, so after an advancement from 100 to 101% needs a relative rest.
Here is an indicative plan for days and weeks, 3 or 4 weeks cycle.

--------------------3 weeks cycle---------------------
-----------------------week 1
1-very heavy
2-light
3-light
4-medium-heavy
5-light
6-Rest
7-light*
-----------------------week 2
1-very heavy
 2-light
 3-light
 4-light
 5-very heavy
 6-light
 7-Rest
-----------------------week 3
1-light
 2-Rest
 3-medium
 4-Rest
 5-light
 6-Rest
 7-light*


--------------------4 weeks cycle---------------------
 -----------------------week 1
1-very heavy
 2-light
 3-light
 4-medium-heavy
 5-light
 6-Rest
 7-light*
-----------------------week 2
1-very heavy
 2-light
 3-light
 4-medium-heavy
 5-light
 6-Rest
 7-light*
-----------------------week 3
1-very heavy
 2-Rest
 3-light
 4-Rest
 5-medium
 6-light
 7-Rest
-----------------------week 4
1-light
 2-Rest
 3-light
 4-Rest
 5-light
 6-Rest
 7-light*

This is for intermediate level, one workout a day, except the very heavy days two w/o

Here the rest is within every short cycle, so is to do continously all the year, without a big rest or off season,
this is the cycle followed by eastern athletes, able to do records in any part of the year
whereas in italy there is a big rest from october to january, and then the need to work harder in the other months, not a good thing i think.

*The very heavy day is never to be preceded by a rest day, because in 48 hours the body loses the motion chains needed for a very heavy engagement

[Chris Ⓐ LeRoux]

I agree with John Broz. Overtraining is a myth, a concept not born in reality. Psychological burnout- yes. Overtraining- no.

[movmasty]

I agree with John Broz. Overtraining is a myth, a concept not born in reality. Psychological burnout- yes. Overtraining- no.

Overtrain is an injury to the recover system
It happens when you get to failure every day

I did overtrain several times in my youth, i still wanted to go to the gym(i always enjoyed to train) but my body didnt respond,

[Andy Dick]

When I reached overtraining, I could see my weights dropping without control.  The will would be there but I would not be able to lift the weight, even squats were dropping.  I would be having a hard time doing weights well removed from my working sets.  Example if I were squatting 335# for triples I would be struggling with 295# for triples.  I also felt like I had no pop and my speed getting under the weights felt slower and I would miss more.  I do not see this as a psychological problem.  Over time as I felt exhausted all the time inside and outside of training would the psychological, of the just feeling too tired to train and not wanting to train start to setting in.  But by this point my weights had already dropped significantly.  As the drop in weights progressed then the injuries would start to set in.
 
 

[Chris Ⓐ LeRoux]

None of these personal stories meet the scientific meaning of over-training. The point isn't that all fatigue is psychological but rather that a psychological state of burnout can occur without meeting the requirements for overtraining. Injuries are another variable entirely and no cause and effect can be established.

[Arturo Gómez]

I think the problem is have the techniques for early detect the causes of imbalanced training. These technique are well developed in the industrial "control of process". The goal I think is apply them to weighltifting.

[movmasty]

None of these personal stories meet the scientific meaning of over-training. The point isn't that all fatigue is psychological but rather that a psychological state of burnout can occur without meeting the requirements for overtraining. Injuries are another variable entirely and no cause and effect can be established.

Now tell me that the brain isnt part of the body......

Maybe OT is a message sent from the brain that to train in that way is dangerous.