Arturo Gómez:
I think that the last question, is interesting to see from the point of view of control of process. If you make your better record, is good, but if not, how much kilos less is an indicator of problems (fatigue, disease)? An idea is "control intervals". Out of extremal causes, the weights (detrended) have a normal distribution with a mean and a standard deviation. This allows the statistical control of the semanal record or the mean of the maxima lifts in the week.If these index are out of the fixed intervals, we may look for a cause for the problem.
TheRedReaper:
Well yes. I really just mean you need to find an accurate way of measuring performance. So that when any unexpected drop occurs, you can respond immediately. I do 1RM very often. So that's the easiest way for me to measure and is what came to mind.
movmasty:
--- Quote from: Khoi Tran-Quang on Nov 05, 2012, 12:26 PM ---Has anyone here ever pushed it too hard and burned out? If so, I am interested in hearing your experiences. There was a time in the past where I literally maxed out on a daily basis. Sometimes, I would train for 3-4 hours in this fashion. I'm not sure what happened, but after 3 months or so, I literally cracked. It took me an extrememly long time to recover. Probably over a year. Close to two. Maybe even two. In the present moment, I can't even tell if I'm back to "normal", whatever normal is.
I know some of you might've trained with a bulgarian philosophy.
--- End quote --- This could happen when one reads some semplicistic paper for some bulgarian expert, obviously "train always at the max" is not a real strategy.
movmasty:
--- Quote from: Khoi Tran-Quang on Nov 05, 2012, 09:41 PM ---I'm sure some of you have heard of John Broz. Well, he believes that there is no such thing as overtraining. I think some people have been infleunced into believing this also
Pushing hard, or relatively hard is required to get stronger. How many of you think it's possible to always be pushing? Or is this a really stupid idea? Will you body and brain adapt? Or will you just go through depression, which actually I heard shrinks your brain?
Honestly, I'm not sure what I am supposed to be asking. I guess I'm interested in getting as possible in a very short time frame. Some of you may know clarence0 on youtube. He started maxing out daily and is now at a 155 kg snatch and 195 kg clean and jerk. It took him around 2-4 years I believe. Wouldn't majority of us get destroyed either mentally or physically from training like this? --- End quote --- Are you sure that this clarence0 or any hard trainer is telling the truth? Vasily Alekseev to hide his methods of training fooled people into believing that he trained underwater!
Overtraining, like injuries, is not an accident, but a normal thing happening without a careful programming.
Is not true that Pushing hard is required to get stronger, the body grows every time you train, and the first rule to train hard is regularity, train every day, every week, every year, This make a champion!
Of course you need also heavy workouts......once a week, or also once in two weeks, and then comfortable training, without bite the bullet, but you dont have to miss one!
No need to get your guts out, but one year of steady training will do miracles, and two years one double miracle.
Arturo Gómez:
[size=78%]I think that "follow a preplained training without a feedback and a process control" is the bad estrategy.[/size] If the train is more intense (as the bulgarian is) greater are the risk.
I am intereseted in know, in the case of "crack with bulgarian system", the following:
-the crack was subitous or it had a gradual process? -with the training, was there a improvement in olimpic lifts greater than in squat?