Topic: easy jerk

[Arturo Gómez]

What follows is a result of my experience as an athlete and coach, and a mechanical intuition that somehow I find consistent with the basic physics course.

I have not confirmed with statistical treatments nor made measurements to rigorous biomechanical calculations.

Therefore, it is not a truth to be imposed, only material for conjecture, debate, and ideas for possible studies or experiments.

The jerk, as we did on our team, was different from what our colleagues of the others gyms. Interestingly, they felt much better than us in snatch. We were best pushing.

The differences are:

Grip: we place the hands at the shoulders where they end, and the bar rests on the wrists and clavicles. They put their hands 10-15 cms off-shoulder and and rest on the last phalanges of the fingers.

Column: We set the column with tension and in a almost zero curvature (some call "anatomical position"). They go to a swayback position, with a big bow back.

Split: high, solid and stable, with all weights the recovery in the way it is taught. They make a split with the abdomen leaning on the front leg, with a very shaky recovery on the front leg.

Lower bar: We went down to the chest, strengthening with that movement. They usually loose or fall between the two partners. In some cases they prefer lower it behind the neck.

Supplementary Training: to help in this way to lift, we included also press and press with impulse, with as much weight as we could (usually in the range 60 -80% of maximum jerk).

If you were to exemplify say that it is similar to a boost of Alexeev, Taranenko, and many ahltetes of the time of press. The other school, similar to Grablev, Terziskii, Daniel Nunez.

[movmasty]

Could you specify more?

[Arturo Gómez]

Well, I think than we made the jerk (the second time) in a simplest way than the most popular today.
We caught the bar with the hand, not with the fingers, the hands are separately by the large of the shoulders, not 20 o5 30 cms more as is habitual..
The trunk stays vertical and straight during all the movement, the most popular technique today uses a great lumbar curvature and an front inclination in the fixation.
We recover the split  first extending the front leg, I see today is popular recover over the front leg



This technique was estable easy and simple for us, I see the other technique more based in "pull forces", and ours in "push forces", like in "press age"

[movmasty]

Well, I think than we made the jerk (the second time) in a simplest way than the most popular today.
We caught the bar with the hand, not with the fingers, the hands are separately by the large of the shoulders, not 20 o5 30 cms more as is habitual..
The trunk stays vertical and straight during all the movement, the most popular technique today uses a great lumbar curvature and an front inclination in the fixation.
We recover the split  first extending the front leg, I see today is popular recover over the front leg



This technique was estable easy and simple for us, I see the other technique more based in "pull forces", and ours in "push forces", like in "press age"

To me seems a way to lift less in the C&J, am i wrong?

[Arturo Gómez]

Well, we lift more of this way, and less of the other. Our colleges of other times saw our way as taboo, so I don´t know if they would lift more or less.

[movmasty]

the hands are separately by the large of the shoulders, not 20 o5 30 cms more as is habitual..

But in this way you have to push the weight higher, because harms get higher from the shoulders

[Arturo Gómez]

yes, is more length of trajectory.
But this is one of the calculus I can do :
My arm measures 60 cms.
If I grip the bar with the hands just out of the shoulders, the arm stays vertical at the end of the jerk. So, the distance is 60 cms.
If I catch a grip 10 cms more wide of each side, by Pythagoras, I calculate the height as:
sqrt (60 x 60 - 10 x 10) = 59,2
Less than 1 cm. of difference.
In my case, is too few if I compare with the unstability that comes of the wider grip.