What are the initial condition?70 kgs bodyweight, but, how much in snatch and how much in clean and jerk?
Quote from: movmasty on Sep 24, 2012, 10:07 AMQuote from: 7thLifter on Sep 23, 2012, 12:17 PMI know there are many young champions out there, but who can guarantee us that those people are not taking drugs? All these numbers are fine and well, but they don't prove there are no drugs involved.Again, not trying to point fingers at anyone or argue about it, just stating the obvious. It is common knowledge that the body can be cleansed from drugs, and that a drug test that says a lifter is clean can't be trusted anyway.In the case of this particular weightlifter, he has only trained for a maximum of 3,5 years, and achieved these results.Today tests can reveal drugs taken 3 months earlyer, but the true efficacy is in the random controls, an athlete doesnt know when he could be tested.It is true that an amateur off the olympic federations can take drugs, we was just talking about if that was possible or not without drugs, it is.I know random drug tests are most efficient.But I think we're going off topic with this :)My real question is basically this - is it possible to snatch 152kg/clean almost 200kg/clean and jerk 190kg by training 100% natural in 3,5 years, considering his weight started somewhere around 70kg and increased to around 88 during that period. I find this really hard to believe. I'm just trying to get some insight from as many experienced people as I can. I talked to a few people who have experience in weightlifting, and have competed quite a bit as well, they all say it's not possible.just trying to get as many opinions as I can, see what others think.
Quote from: 7thLifter on Sep 23, 2012, 12:17 PMI know there are many young champions out there, but who can guarantee us that those people are not taking drugs? All these numbers are fine and well, but they don't prove there are no drugs involved.Again, not trying to point fingers at anyone or argue about it, just stating the obvious. It is common knowledge that the body can be cleansed from drugs, and that a drug test that says a lifter is clean can't be trusted anyway.In the case of this particular weightlifter, he has only trained for a maximum of 3,5 years, and achieved these results.Today tests can reveal drugs taken 3 months earlyer, but the true efficacy is in the random controls, an athlete doesnt know when he could be tested.It is true that an amateur off the olympic federations can take drugs, we was just talking about if that was possible or not without drugs, it is.
I know there are many young champions out there, but who can guarantee us that those people are not taking drugs? All these numbers are fine and well, but they don't prove there are no drugs involved.Again, not trying to point fingers at anyone or argue about it, just stating the obvious. It is common knowledge that the body can be cleansed from drugs, and that a drug test that says a lifter is clean can't be trusted anyway.In the case of this particular weightlifter, he has only trained for a maximum of 3,5 years, and achieved these results.
Yes is possible, but we are at the upper limit of possible.
Quote from: Arturo Gómez on Sep 25, 2012, 02:39 PMWhat are the initial condition?70 kgs bodyweight, but, how much in snatch and how much in clean and jerk?Sadly, I don't know this information. And I don't like assumptions either, so I won't be assuming anything :P
