Topic: How much does a medalist train?

[Arturo Gómez]

I think that olympic lifts, in special CJ, are very complex to be trained with emphasys in repetitions. They have not only a muscular phase - as basical exercises - but a hard mental and sicological work.
Muscles are very important, but they may be trained with the  complementary exercises as squat, pulls, semiolimpic, press.
Repetitions in competitive exercises I think nearer to hang and power exercises than to competition exercises.
I think fundamental maximum attempts.

[TheRedReaper]

he asked how medalist train - ie i took that as serious athletes - not saying what I did is right or wrong but it got the results for me so I m not complaining ( I was ranked Number 1 in the commonwealth at one stage)  CJ  345 lbs at 155 lbs bodyweight

doing such complex exercises needed a lot of warm up for me if I could do less to get to max I would have - the reason why I did a lot of max singles is sinmple that what I did in competition - sorry but I never understood how doing 5 sets of 3 reps on 100 kilos helps you snatch 130x1 psychologically for me to snatch 130 I want to snatch 130 again and again full stop

Morgan is my surname

Morgan is your surname? So does this mean you are male now? LOL I don't know.
 
Fair enough with the warm ups. If I start to encounter failure when I was expecting success (or injury), I will start to warm up the same as you did.
 
I agree with you doing your max in training. Trying to do in comp what you have not succeeded in many times already in training is over reaching. So you need to train the max.

[TheRedReaper]

Very wrong, strenght comes with time and regularity, not with overtraining and injuries, max weight is for contests, not for training.

But if you don't train at over 95% of your max, how do you even know what your max is? And how do you expect to be able to push it higher?
 
Bodies adjust to the stress you put them under. When I increase my front squat (or any lift, really) by 5 kilo or so to push my max higher, I can usually only do say, 2,1,1,1,F. So it is pretty much my max. But within 2 weeks, I have gotten that up to 3,3,2,1,1, and I am ready for a further increase in weight, and back down to 2,1,1,1,F, or so. So I can constantly see the progress. I can constantly see I am getting stronger and my max lift is getting better with every workout. But this only happens because I always train so close to my max and am forcing my body to adapt to this weight by always trying to do more reps.
 
There are a lot of people out there who like to do as you, 5 sets of 5 reps. They get a good workout, no doubt. But not one of them is truly putting their body under max stress and forcing it to adapt.
 
I cannot agree with what you say, as mine own research in training counters it.

[movmasty]

Very wrong, strenght comes with time and regularity, not with overtraining and injuries, max weight is for contests, not for training.

But if you don't train at over 95% of your max, how do you even know what your max is? And how do you expect to be able to push it higher?

With reps, when you do comfortably 3 reps increase weight
and occasionally doing tests, every 2-3 months.


 

Bodies adjust to the stress you put them under. When I increase my front squat (or any lift, really) by 5 kilo or so to push my max higher, I can usually only do say, 2,1,1,1,F. So it is pretty much my max. But within 2 weeks, I have gotten that up to 3,2,2,1,1, and I am ready for a further increase in weight, and back down to 2,1,1,1,F, or so. So I can constantly see the progress. I can constantly see I am getting stronger and my max lift is getting better with every workout. But this only happens because I always train so close to my max and am forcing my body to adapt to this weight by always trying to do more reps.
 
There are a lot of people out there who like to do as you, 5 sets of 5 reps. They get a good workout, no doubt. But not one of them is truly putting their body under max stress and forcing it to adapt.
 
I cannot agree with what you say, as mine own research in training counters it.

Believe me, a weight that you can lift no more than 3 times is a good weight, really if you do 4-5 sets with it, very if you do 4-5 exercises
while if you train daily is too much to handle always.

[Arturo Gómez]

Example: maximum C+J = 150
series of 3 C+ J = 110.
If the athlete gets 3 x 115, will he lift 155 without other class of training?


I think is different improve a repetition in a range of 3 in for example squat, that in clean and jerk.
I means, that kilos in 3 repetitions in CJ are too far from maximum to make a projection I think in most of the cases.


The different methods, may be logical, and probably accurate for some persons, but not universals.

[movmasty]

Example: maximum C+J = 150
series of 3 C+ J = 110.
If the athlete gets 3 x 115, will he lift 155 without other class of training?


I think is different improve a repetition in a range of 3 in for example squat, that in clean and jerk.
I means, that kilos in 3 repetitions in CJ are too far from maximum to make a projection I think in most of the cases.


The different methods, may be logical, and probably accurate for some persons, but not universals.

I said to not do 1x145 often, but 2x127.5 or 3x120, not 3x110 that is too low
then do a couple of trainings with 1x140 and 2-3 days later test the max, do evey 2-3 monts
If you do competions, work with 140 5/6 weeks before a main contest and 2/3 before a minor one.
Training is not like a line, but like a wave.

BTW, there is a way to make light weights heavy, increase speed.....

[Arturo Gómez]

Yes, these number are more logical. With them, the system stays coherent.

[movmasty]

I competed at the Olympics in 1992 trained for over 25 yrs I did this to qualify for games

Mon, Wed, Fri     AM

Front squat   60x3  80x3  100x3  120x3 130x3 140x2  150x1  160x1 170x1,1,1,1,1

Snatch   50 3x3   60x3 70x3 80x3 90x2 100x2 110x2  120x2 130x1 135x1,1   130x1,1   125x1,1,1

Clean and Jerk   60x3 80x3  100x2  120x2  130x1  140x1  150x1  160x1,1  155x1,1   150x1,1,1


Mon Wed  Fri     PM

Snatch    same but heavier if poss      145x1,1    140x1,1    135x1,1,1

CJ        same     175/180   2x1     down 5k   2x1   down 5k   3x1

Back Squats   60x3    100x3     130x3     150x3  170x1    180x1    190x1  200x1    210 2x1    200   3x1


roughly then 

Tues, Thur, Sat     AM

Power snatch    50x3,3    60x3 70x3 80x2 90x2 100x1   110 2x1     100  3x1

Power CJ    50x2   70x2  90x1   110x1   120x1   130  2x1    120 3x1

Tues thurs,  sat   PM

Back squats   60x3 100x3  130x2  150x1  170x1  180x1  190x1  200x1  210x1  220x1  230 2x1   220  3x1

Snatch Pull     5x5    with 10 above max snatch on previous day   (140/150ish)

Clean pulls   5x5 same as above   (180-190ish) 

Respect to which maximum lifts?

I see Back squat but dont see the Front squat?
You said that you do the max bexcause is that you do in contests,
you do Back squat in contests???