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Offline TheRedReaper

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Re: How spread is drug usage in weightlifting?
« Reply #72 on: Oct 10, 2012, 05:45 AM »
Sure I have been poor. Most people would say I am poor right now though my life should be the stuff of dreams, I don't work much and live very well. Again, there is nothing capitalistic about the current global economic system. For starters, the dollar is a fascist currency, not a capitalist money. This means one half of ALL transactions using the dollar or based on the dollar as a world reserve standard are fascist, are subject to centralized price fixing by a fascist banking cartel. And corporations are inherently fascist entities, not capitalist, once given limited liability, subsidies, licenses [to prevent competition] and regulations [to prevent competition]. Fascism is also properly called corporatism. Capitalism only exists under anarchy and it is fascism which is creating all the evils of the world. People who lived under absolutist monarchies also thought the coming age of absolute mob rule [democracy] we live under now was a dream. People thought landing on the moon was a dream. Anarchy is always among us. When you pick out clothes in the morning, you have clothing anarchy. No one, I hope, is sticking a gun to your head to make you dress as the rulers demand, yet. And stable, peaceful anarchistic systems have existed numerous times in history, despite government propaganda to the contrary. In fact as society gets ever more complex, government is getting more and more unstable. It is destined for collapse. Anarchy is the only possible system compatible with human nature or an industrial society in the long run. Anarchy is inevitable. No rulers. Equality under the law. No one may initiate aggression, coercion or fraud against another, no matter how many jerks they get to vote for it. Moral law will rule, eventually.

On the first point of your post, I think the more you encourage capitalism, the more you get fascism. They seem to be inseperable. Capitalism equals power, and power equals fascism. Can you explain how these two things will ever seperate?
 
Second, can you give an example of how political structure is weakening under the pressure of an evermore complex society? I don't really see it.

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Re: How spread is drug usage in weightlifting?
« Reply #73 on: Oct 10, 2012, 05:48 AM »
Everyone has a different standpoint. Even anarcho-capitalists disagree about an issue here and there. That is exactly why anarchy is necessary and inevitable. People will never agree on how public property should be used and those who disagree with the majority will have violence done to them to force their submission. Private property is the right to disagree. When all property is private, all interaction can be voluntary and if you do not agree with someone then you can simply avoid doing business with them.
This is short sighted. How can I avoid doing business with the people I sell my rubber I produce to? I don't agree with how they slashed the price in half, but in a capitalist country there is no control over prices, and I have no option but to sell at the low price. There is no choice. Those with the wealth have the power, and that is the power to hand the raw end of the stick to those below them.

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Re: How spread is drug usage in weightlifting?
« Reply #74 on: Oct 10, 2012, 06:09 AM »
All government is fascist. You cannot have capitalism if there is government since government claims ultimate control, ownership, over everyone and everything, makes itself above the law of the markets by legalizing its theft-extortion-slavery it calls taxation, or inflation, or licensing, or registering or eminent domain. In an anarchistic society, a capitalistic society, where everything is privately owned, there can be no fascism since there is no government to bribe for special privileges. In a free market, prices are determined by the consumer preferences of the population, by economic democracy. No one can control prices. All attempts throughout history have failed. Set them too low and you create shortages and rationing by politicians and their owners. Set them too high and new competition enters the market to earn away market share.

An example of government weakening in the face of advancing technology and increasing population? Bitcoin- untraceable, black market currency. It is glorious. Another example- the Wiki weapon project. ;)
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Re: How spread is drug usage in weightlifting?
« Reply #75 on: Oct 19, 2012, 05:41 AM »
In a free market, prices are determined by the consumer preferences of the population, by economic democracy. No one can control prices.
But isn't this the exact kind of model that allowed for my income to be slashed overnight by literally half without me having any control of it?
 
A free market only benefits the moneyed elites. As a poor fellow, it takes years to save up to by a couple rai of land to plant rubber trees on. Then it takes several more years before the rubber trees are grown enough to produce any rubber, and 3 more years before they really start producing decent amounts. And what if in that time the price of rubber falls dramatically and I fail to make the income I expected and must needs change plans? It will take years more before I am ready to have another occupation, and what if that falls through too?
 
Only the elite have the money to comfortably adapt to a constantly changing market such as you suggest. The poor just have to suffer under it. This is why some turn to communism or at least socialism.
 
The model you suggest provides absolutely no benefit to me whatsoever. Do you see that? That is why not all people will support it.
 
I know that prices must rise and fall even in communist countries, but the control does help. At least the changes are gradual and warned of. At least you won't just wake up oneday and realize you're focked.
 
You are presenting an entirely elitist idea that is usually more common amongst facsits themselves, I think, who care little for the poor and don't want restrictions placed on the economy they have come to dominate.
 
I do acknowledge the heart of your ideal is utter freedom, and I appreciate that and wish it could be so, but I do not think it is possible. Not without making some people so angry against it that they just rebel and destroy it, anyway.

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Re: How spread is drug usage in weightlifting?
« Reply #76 on: Oct 19, 2012, 06:21 AM »
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But isn't this the exact kind of model that allowed for my income to be slashed overnight by literally half without me having any control of it?
No, all consumers dictate prices by casting their votes with their money, so you have influence, always, in a free market. And, of course, you could quit and go seek another job or start a business, etc.

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A free market only benefits the moneyed elites. As a poor fellow, it takes years to save up to by a couple rai of land to plant rubber trees on. Then it takes several more years before the rubber trees are grown enough to produce any rubber, and 3 more years before they really start producing decent amounts. And what if in that time the price of rubber falls dramatically and I fail to make the income I expected and must needs change plans? It will take years more before I am ready to have another occupation, and what if that falls through too?
You aren't living in anything close to a free market. A free market is the only system that allows the poor to climb. All government systems [fascism] keeps the poor down and the rich as rulers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rjhJcUBRKg

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The model you suggest provides absolutely no benefit to me whatsoever.
Freedom will benefit you more than anything else.
 
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I know that prices must rise and fall even in communist countries, but the control does help. At least the changes are gradual and warned of. At least you won't just wake up oneday and realize you're focked.
Price controls increase volatility in prices. Further they cause shortages and malinvestment.
 
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You are presenting an entirely elitist idea that is usually more common amongst facsits themselves, I think, who care little for the poor and don't want restrictions placed on the economy they have come to dominate.
lol. You are describing the status quo!

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I do acknowledge the heart of your ideal is utter freedom, and I appreciate that and wish it could be so, but I do not think it is possible. Not without making some people so angry against it that they just rebel and destroy it, anyway.
Same is true of government. They all eventually collapse when the people have enough of their tyranny. The time is rapidly approaching when this will occur all over the world, all at once.
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Re: How spread is drug usage in weightlifting?
« Reply #77 on: Oct 20, 2012, 05:15 AM »
Well I've said my piece but missed you with the point of my thrust. I already knew you cannot convince someone of something they did not already believe already to begin with, so...
 
When I am one in 66 million, in a land controlled by propaganda where people will cast their "economic vote" with unprecedented ignorance, I fail to be swayed by your own arguement, also. And like I said, when you invest years of hard earned meager wealth into something, you cannot just "change jobs" because people "voted" against you. Sad you missed that point. I thought it was a good one.
 
Nice talking to you, but. I appreciate your heart for true freedom, at the least. See you around.

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Re: How spread is drug usage in weightlifting?
« Reply #78 on: Oct 20, 2012, 07:11 AM »
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I already knew you cannot convince someone of something they did not already believe already to begin with, so...
Actually, this is exactly how I became an anarcho-capitalist, by arguing with anarcho-capitalists until they convinced me they were correct. It DOES take a great deal of study. If you are interested in full answers to your question and learning about how true freedom is in your self-interest, then send me a PM. I will send you some articles, videos and books.
 
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Re: How spread is drug usage in weightlifting?
« Reply #79 on: Oct 21, 2012, 05:28 AM »
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I already knew you cannot convince someone of something they did not already believe already to begin with, so...
Actually, this is exactly how I became an anarcho-capitalist, by arguing with anarcho-capitalists until they convinced me they were correct. It DOES take a great deal of study. If you are interested in full answers to your question and learning about how true freedom is in your self-interest, then send me a PM. I will send you some articles, videos and books.
Well I've already studied widely. Infact, I've read only a few books that relate even remotely to communism/socialism (as opposed to works by westerners, of which I have read much). But I came to mine own conclusions after the abuse by the political, social and economic leaders in Thailand towards the poor right before my eyes. People who use wealth to fuel propaganda that allows them to go out and massacre pro democracy demonstrators in the street without their support base lifting a finger in protest of the butchering of their fellow countrymen. And you tell me to give these people more power and less checks and balances. It's just not going to happen. I won't support that. You ought to try studying SE Asia, yourself. West and east might be more different than you imagine. Though I admit it is difficult for anyone less than a seriously dedicated academic to study a topic on a country they're never been to.
 
And you cannot convince someone of something they don't already believe. All you can do is plant the seed of an idea in their mind and hope that it will grow over time (it usually doesn't). In your own case, I bet either you were raised to believe what you do, or your ideas developed very very slowly. Take christians, jews or muslims, for example - they'll never believe in evolution or science when you present it to them in debate, but many of them do listen to reason in the end... 10 years after they first heard of the homo erectus. But if you present someone with an idea that is already in tone with their current beliefs, they soak it up like a wet spounge