Topic: How spread is drug usage in weightlifting?

[movmasty]

Of course human body has his limits, but year after year performance goes on,
does not make sense to lift 265 in 1984 and 260 in 2012 when the record of the 100m has increased of almost 5 hundredths every Olympics since 1984, but advanced not more than 3 before... in fact training and overall improvements boosted after 1980.
Recall the progression
1951-182.5
1984-265
2004-263.5
should have been about
1951-182.5
 1984-230/235
 2004-263.5
Kurlovitch and Chemerkin took steroids in their youth, for this classes changed 2 times in 1996 and 2000, whereas Reza Zadeh was very strong, ahead like Bolt.

If you think the Olympic weightlifting is almost entirely drug free, chances are you've been eating magic mushies yourself, bro.
 
In 1951, training standards were sh!t. This is the main reason why the records have gone up like this.
 
If more drugs means more power, you're kidding yourself if you think oneday a roid junkie is going to clean and jerk over 300 kilo. Unless the guy weighs 250 kilo himself, perhaps... but that's too big. People can't get that big, really.

the Olympic is, but an amateur can take all the drugs he want, and powelifters does.
I told that 300kg are intolerable for now, but a sub-top, doing in example 240kg, could do quite easily 265 or 270kg, the difference in being 6/7 or a gold medalist is huge.
or a normal person, without training so much, 240kg, getting rid of the vast majority of athletes.
And in fact going from 180 to 230 in 30 years is in itself an enormous progress, to 265 is impossible, or Suleimanoglu doing at 60kg more than the 75kg gold 12 yrs before, than the 90kg gold in 1972, more than superheavies in 1956!
As would be inexplicable the regress of wl since 1988.
Tommy Kono was a skilled athlete and tecnician already in 1952.


 

Hossein suffered from high pressure. this prevented him to partecipate in 2008 and to train adequately after 2000
He was the first top lifter totally drug free, and the only of these to do that performance.
In wl steroids are more effective, one stronger lifts more, whilst doesnt immediately runs faster,
But weights are heavy themselves, for this wl touched the maximum tolerable first.
Random controls give an effective security against drugs.

How do you know why he did not enter in 2008? Do you know him?
How do you know he was drug free? Has he sworn openly he was not using? I'm not saying he was using drugs. But I wont say he wasn't either.

i know why he did not enter from the net,
and about drugs because strict controls began in 1988, when he was 10....

[movmasty]

In Amerika, you are 8 times more likely to be murdered by a cop, your alleged protector, than a Muslim terrorist, and this stat dates only from 9.11. No Muslim has robbed me, but the cops support this insane system which puts cameras on our roads to fine us for moving in ways they don't like- all without jury trial which the 7th amendment allegedly protects. The cops are brutish, authoritarian jerks. They don't work for the people. They are a socialist institution that defends the state. I understand the Muslims anger. I share it. The U.S. government is a big bully, and I really hate bullies. I do oppose all violence. I am a pacifist, according to my interpretation of the word. But I don't fear the Muslims. I do fear my protectors.

I agree
but still i am pro antidoping

[Chris Ⓐ LeRoux]

I agree
but still i am pro antidoping

Ok, but it is the exact same kind of protection racket charade. It has made the playing field more uneven, not more level. It punishes the innocent with tracking and invasive searches yet fails to stop the state-funded users and their facilitators. It is a giant waste of money and resources, designed to make a few oligarchs in Europe rich and powerful.

[movmasty]

I agree
but still i am pro antidoping

Ok, but it is the exact same kind of protection racket charade. It has made the playing field more uneven, not more level. It punishes the innocent with tracking and invasive searches yet fails to stop the state-funded users and their facilitators. It is a giant waste of money and resources, designed to make a few oligarchs in Europe rich and powerful.

China is a big state, which real advancements their weightlifters realized respect to the records of 1988? (it is easy to interpolate different weight classes)

[TheRedReaper]

In Amerika, you are 8 times more likely to be murdered by a cop, your alleged protector, than a Muslim terrorist, and this stat dates only from 9.11. No Muslim has robbed me, but the cops support this insane system which puts cameras on our roads to fine us for moving in ways they don't like- all without jury trial which the 7th amendment allegedly protects. The cops are brutish, authoritarian jerks. They don't work for the people. They are a socialist institution that defends the state. I understand the Muslims anger. I share it. The U.S. government is a big bully, and I really hate bullies. I do oppose all violence. I am a pacifist, according to my interpretation of the word. But I don't fear the Muslims. I do fear my protectors.

So you don't like airport security then? I still think it's a good idea.

[Chris Ⓐ LeRoux]

Like routine, massive violations of the 4th amendment, the so-called law? No. It is pure evil. I support privatizing airport security and abolishing the TSA immediately. They must be stopped before they spread out, as they are doing, across all the train stations, bus stations and highways. They are the 4th Reich's Gestapo.

[movmasty]

Like routine, massive violations of the 4th amendment, the so-called law? No. It is pure evil. I support privatizing airport security and abolishing the TSA immediately. They must be stopped before they spread out, as they are doing, across all the train stations, bus stations and highways. They are the 4th Reich's Gestapo.

Nice to see anarchism in a weights lifter 

But to tell the truth here in Europe we have different political standpoints

[Chris Ⓐ LeRoux]

Naaa, we have anarcho-capitalists and voluntaryists over there also.