Chris Ⓐ LeRoux:
In Amerika, you are 8 times more likely to be murdered by a cop, your alleged protector, than a Muslim terrorist, and this stat dates only from 9.11. No Muslim has robbed me, but the cops support this insane system which puts cameras on our roads to fine us for moving in ways they don't like- all without jury trial which the 7th amendment allegedly protects. The cops are brutish, authoritarian jerks. They don't work for the people. They are a socialist institution that defends the state. I understand the Muslims anger. I share it. The U.S. government is a big bully, and I really hate bullies. I do oppose all violence. I am a pacifist, according to my interpretation of the word. But I don't fear the Muslims. I do fear my protectors.
movmasty:
--- Quote from: TheRedReaper on Sep 13, 2012, 08:48 PM --- --- Quote from: movmasty on Sep 12, 2012, 12:57 AM ---Of course human body has his limits, but year after year performance goes on, does not make sense to lift 265 in 1984 and 260 in 2012 when the record of the 100m has increased of almost 5 hundredths every Olympics since 1984, but advanced not more than 3 before... in fact training and overall improvements boosted after 1980. Recall the progression 1951-182.5 1984-265 2004-263.5 should have been about 1951-182.5 1984-230/235 2004-263.5 Kurlovitch and Chemerkin took steroids in their youth, for this classes changed 2 times in 1996 and 2000, whereas Reza Zadeh was very strong, ahead like Bolt.
--- End quote --- If you think the Olympic weightlifting is almost entirely drug free, chances are you've been eating magic mushies yourself, bro.
In 1951, training standards were sh!t. This is the main reason why the records have gone up like this.
If more drugs means more power, you're kidding yourself if you think oneday a roid junkie is going to clean and jerk over 300 kilo. Unless the guy weighs 250 kilo himself, perhaps... but that's too big. People can't get that big, really. --- End quote --- the Olympic is, but an amateur can take all the drugs he want, and powelifters does. I told that 300kg are intolerable for now, but a sub-top, doing in example 240kg, could do quite easily 265 or 270kg, the difference in being 6/7 or a gold medalist is huge. or a normal person, without training so much, 240kg, getting rid of the vast majority of athletes. And in fact going from 180 to 230 in 30 years is in itself an enormous progress, to 265 is impossible, or Suleimanoglu doing at 60kg more than the 75kg gold 12 yrs before, than the 90kg gold in 1972, more than superheavies in 1956! As would be inexplicable the regress of wl since 1988. Tommy Kono was a skilled athlete and tecnician already in 1952.
--- Quote from: TheRedReaper on Sep 13, 2012, 08:48 PM --- --- Quote from: movmasty on Sep 12, 2012, 12:57 AM ---Hossein suffered from high pressure. this prevented him to partecipate in 2008 and to train adequately after 2000 He was the first top lifter totally drug free, and the only of these to do that performance. In wl steroids are more effective, one stronger lifts more, whilst doesnt immediately runs faster, But weights are heavy themselves, for this wl touched the maximum tolerable first. Random controls give an effective security against drugs.
--- End quote --- How do you know why he did not enter in 2008? Do you know him? How do you know he was drug free? Has he sworn openly he was not using? I'm not saying he was using drugs. But I wont say he wasn't either.
--- End quote --- i know why he did not enter from the net, and about drugs because strict controls began in 1988, when he was 10....
movmasty:
--- Quote from: Chris Ⓐ LeRoux on Sep 13, 2012, 10:06 PM ---In Amerika, you are 8 times more likely to be murdered by a cop, your alleged protector, than a Muslim terrorist, and this stat dates only from 9.11. No Muslim has robbed me, but the cops support this insane system which puts cameras on our roads to fine us for moving in ways they don't like- all without jury trial which the 7th amendment allegedly protects. The cops are brutish, authoritarian jerks. They don't work for the people. They are a socialist institution that defends the state. I understand the Muslims anger. I share it. The U.S. government is a big bully, and I really hate bullies. I do oppose all violence. I am a pacifist, according to my interpretation of the word. But I don't fear the Muslims. I do fear my protectors.
--- End quote --- I agree but still i am pro antidoping
Chris Ⓐ LeRoux:
--- Quote ---I agree but still i am pro antidoping --- End quote ---
Ok, but it is the exact same kind of protection racket charade. It has made the playing field more uneven, not more level. It punishes the innocent with tracking and invasive searches yet fails to stop the state-funded users and their facilitators. It is a giant waste of money and resources, designed to make a few oligarchs in Europe rich and powerful.
movmasty:
--- Quote from: Chris Ⓐ LeRoux on Sep 14, 2012, 07:34 AM --- --- Quote ---I agree but still i am pro antidoping --- End quote ---
Ok, but it is the exact same kind of protection racket charade. It has made the playing field more uneven, not more level. It punishes the innocent with tracking and invasive searches yet fails to stop the state-funded users and their facilitators. It is a giant waste of money and resources, designed to make a few oligarchs in Europe rich and powerful.
--- End quote --- China is a big state, which real advancements their weightlifters realized respect to the records of 1988? (it is easy to interpolate different weight classes)