--- Quote from: TheRedReaper on Sep 11, 2012, 01:10 AM ---But I'm not so confident that drug use has been brought down so far. As for his example of the amount of weight lifted - I think it is the training that improved, and now has been mastered. Not so much the drugs. Drugs or no, it is not going to be easy for anyone to clean and jerk over 260k. The training has now maximized potential, but the ability of the human body to perform is in the end limited. --- End quote --- Of course human body has his limits, but year after year performance goes on, does not make sense to lift 265 in 1984 and 260 in 2012 when the record of the 100m has increased of almost 5 hundredths every Olympics since 1984, but advanced not more than 3 before... in fact training and overall improvements boosted after 1980. Recall the progression 1951-182.5 1984-265 2004-263.5 should have been about 1951-182.5 1984-230/235 2004-263.5 Kurlovitch and Chemerkin took steroids in their youth, for this classes changed 2 times in 1996 and 2000, whereas Reza Zadeh was very strong, ahead like Bolt.
--- Quote from: TheRedReaper on Sep 11, 2012, 01:10 AM ---270k does not sound much heavier than 260k, but I'm sure you all know it is. What was Hossein's first lift in Sydney? 260? And in 4 years training, he was only able to get it better by 3.5 kilo. There's something to be said for that - is that all the training in the world could not make him much better. Though he failed his second lift, I believe if he had have got them all, he might have tried for 267.5 or so. Guess we'll never know. I'd like to see someone break that record. Even if they used more steroids than a race horse, it's still just too close to max human potential. --- End quote --- Hossein suffered from high pressure. this prevented him to partecipate in 2008 and to train adequately after 2000 He was the first top lifter totally drug free, and the only of these to do that performance. In wl steroids are more effective, one stronger lifts more, whilst doesnt immediately runs faster, But weights are heavy themselves, for this wl touched the maximum tolerable first. Random controls give an effective security against drugs.
Chris Ⓐ LeRoux:
There is not the slightest bit of evidence that drug testing is reducing deaths. None.
movmasty:
--- Quote from: Chris Ⓐ LeRoux on Sep 12, 2012, 07:13 AM ---There is not the slightest bit of evidence that drug testing is reducing deaths. None.
--- End quote --- Seems that in urss in the eighty they had a whole army of injuried athletes
TheRedReaper:
--- Quote from: Chris Ⓐ LeRoux on Sep 11, 2012, 09:37 PM ---If Amerika would stop demonizing Muslims and apologize for the wrongs it has done, for the violent interference it has done in lands not its own, the Muslims will forgive and we can have peace. It takes enormous strength to admit one is wrong. It takes enormous power to give in to an enemy. But it works. If the U.S. government declared peace unilaterally and withdrew all forces from Muslim lands and stopped committing aggression against them, the Muslims would soon happily join us in peace. It is human nature. Amerika is sticking its nose in other people's business, violently. It should not surprise Amerika that people want to punch it in the nose. It is a very harsh lesson that has to be learned.
--- End quote --- You don't have to tell me, friend. I have a few choice things to say about America and Israel and what they're doing to muslim majority countrys. But that's not the point. I still have to fly a plane, and those who do like to suicide attack stuff don't give a damn that I'm basically anti America too. They'll kill you anyway. So like I said, better to be safe than sorry and get an anal probe before each flight. If airport security was not what it was, there would be a lot more attacks. In reason, if drug testiong was not what it was, I think there would be a lot more cheating.
Some people are just too shameless. They will take drugs and lie about it. You cannot trust them to do the right think. I've even seen freakish muscled body builders with some ridiculous no body fat try and claim they don't do drugs...
TheRedReaper:
--- Quote from: movmasty on Sep 12, 2012, 12:57 AM ---Of course human body has his limits, but year after year performance goes on, does not make sense to lift 265 in 1984 and 260 in 2012 when the record of the 100m has increased of almost 5 hundredths every Olympics since 1984, but advanced not more than 3 before... in fact training and overall improvements boosted after 1980. Recall the progression 1951-182.5 1984-265 2004-263.5 should have been about 1951-182.5 1984-230/235 2004-263.5 Kurlovitch and Chemerkin took steroids in their youth, for this classes changed 2 times in 1996 and 2000, whereas Reza Zadeh was very strong, ahead like Bolt.
--- End quote --- If you think the Olympic weightlifting is almost entirely drug free, chances are you've been eating magic mushies yourself, bro.
In 1951, training standards were sh!t. This is the main reason why the records have gone up like this.
If more drugs means more power, you're kidding yourself if you think oneday a roid junkie is going to clean and jerk over 300 kilo. Unless the guy weighs 250 kilo himself, perhaps... but that's too big. People can't get that big, really.
--- Quote from: movmasty on Sep 12, 2012, 12:57 AM ---Hossein suffered from high pressure. this prevented him to partecipate in 2008 and to train adequately after 2000 He was the first top lifter totally drug free, and the only of these to do that performance. In wl steroids are more effective, one stronger lifts more, whilst doesnt immediately runs faster, But weights are heavy themselves, for this wl touched the maximum tolerable first. Random controls give an effective security against drugs.
--- End quote --- How do you know why he did not enter in 2008? Do you know him? How do you know he was drug free? Has he sworn openly he was not using? I'm not saying he was using drugs. But I wont say he wasn't either.