Topic: New WL Organization

[Arturo Gómez]

I think that an efficient jerk is not finished as a press. See Alexeev 255 olimpic record, still being Alexeev a great presser. In fact,  if you can finish a jerk so, you are able, potentially, to lift more weight. Estrategy to correct: more kilos and more impulse, generaly the geometrical aspect is good, the problem is that is necessary more stamina in the movement
But I think that many people very far to lock like press, have other serious mistakes in jerk, as lack of control, unstability, dissymetry.
Mistakes with more difficult to be correct, because those mistakes are originated by serious geometrical erroneous position or anatomical problems.
I dont know how is convenient be particular rules, because there exists some particular political and pedagogical aspects.
But still avoiding the rule, the lifters could be oriented to a correct technique

[Albert B. Gonzalez]

Sloppy lockouts and fighting to press out the bar can place a lot more stress on the rotator cuff.  Also, when lifters fight the lockout with the bar in front of them, they tend to hyperextend their lumbar spine like the old press, which caused a lot of back problems.  Follow the IWF technical rules and your rear is covered.  Do things differently and you open yourself to criticism in the face of an overhead injury, even if the relationship to your rule modifications is minimal.

This isn't personal, as I hear it from different people, but this argument simply doesn't hold up. Lifters don't intentionally pressout, it just happens. When it does happen, I've never seen a lifter drop it immediately. He is naturally going to fight to save the lift. The rule book doesn't matter in the heat of the moment. If a lifter wants to exploit the pressout, then he will likely adopt a push-press. He isn't anymore likely to get injured that way, just more likely to get beat by a good split jerk. I just hate to see a meet get ruined for a kid (or several) who are new to the sport because of this pointless rule. And it happens every time.

 
 
its not a pointless rule , and this sport was not created to spare the feelings of children. i can agree that the press-out rule is "sometimes" used ridiculously , but if theres a pressout something went wrong. period. everyone cant be the winner . technique is going to tell the judges everything about your lift, not your age , not your wardrobe , not the incoherent warrior yells or those of your supporters . aturo is correct. an efficient lift has no press out . since when have we been sooo eager to lower the standard? for school age no less. the future where pressouts are tolerated is one i want no part of nor would anyone else who has busted their ass to perfect their form and technique.

[Andy Dick]

Very good points.  But I think Eli nailed it on the head.  If we remove the rule and someone gets hurt and someone chooses to sue us, the court is going to look at standard of care.  They will compare it to what other professionals will say concerning the rules.  Most likely they will look to the IWF rule book since it is an international standard and any IWF official will say we have the rule because of the health implications of shoulder injury.  It just takes that much for them to find against us since we dropped the rule.

[Chris Ⓐ LeRoux]

I don't see people's subjective opinions about press-out being pretty or ugly as a good reason to ban it nor do I see the injustice system's opinions as a good reason.

[Arturo Gómez]

I think that, probably not refered to specifical case, but in general, Chris ir right. Press in the jerk is not convenient, and it has risk, but is the only technical detail forbidden in this sense. And is not the only technical detail with risk and not convenient.
So, I conjecture that if IWF wanted really avoid risk, they would baned much more than lock pressing.
 
Well, IWF has historically many strange and questionable conservative politicals. For example, Weightlifting was one of the last sports in allow women (until 80´s, women were forbidden as in boy´s club of Litlle Lulu cartoon). But these are points that probably deserves another discussion.

[Andy Dick]

I would say the "injustice system" as you call it as a legitimate excuse.  We are subject to the system (if it is screwed up or not) and I would like to avoid getting sued as much as possible.  Everything has a risk but I would say there are times you tempt risk and times you do not and this to me is not worth messing with.

[Chris Ⓐ LeRoux]

I agree that everyone must pick their own battles and pick them carefully.

[Albert B. Gonzalez]

I agree that everyone must pick their own battles and pick them carefully.

 
mother of god.......chris just agreed to something!