Topic: russian high schoolers vs. senior american records.

[eli]

Some recent performances of russian kids vs. the American Records

name	age	result	SR Am. Record	difference	cat/loc
Razmik UNANYAN	aged 17	126/162/288	135/163/293	-9/-1/-5	-69 lima
Diana AKHMETOVA	aged 16 (-17)	99/120/219	100/120/215	-1/0/+4	-63 lima
Artem OKULOV	aged 17	156/191/347	166/203/362	-10/-12/-15	-85 (-80.58) lima
Artem OKULOV	aged 16	145/182/327	158/190/343	-13/-8/-16	-77 singapore
Alexey KOSOV	aged 16 (-17)	172/181/353	165/205/368	+7/-24/-15	87.48 in -94 lima
Olga ZUBOVA	aged 17 (-18)	118/150/268	106/128/230	+12/+22/+38	-75 penang
Olga ZUBOVA	aged 16 (-17)	112/139/251	106/128/230	+6/+11/+21	71.59 singapore
Olga ZUBOVA	aged 15 (-16)	96/121/217	101/126/222	-5/-5/-5	-69 chiangmai

[ViKtoricus]

I want to get access to whatever drugs these kids are on. I really do...

We already have training programs laid out for us from several sources, one of which is in CSAnutrition.com. Now that we have that figured out, we should JUICE UP.

[eli]

It doesn't work like that.   Training programs are just examples of methodology.  They are usually written liberally because they are not intended to be followed verbatim.  You study training programs and competition results and then make generalizations about what the majority of very competitive athletes are doing. 

For example, most of the senior world medalists achieve high marks at a young age and train many times per week at a young age.   There are few exceptions so we conclude that it is probably necessary but not sufficient as a foundation for future results.   Exactly what range of performance is required at what age is something that USAW should try to ascertain.  Also, the trends usually show that superheavies and very tall athletes mature a little bit slower than other athletes.  These are examples of things we can learn by analyzing available data.   

[Arturo Gómez]

I think is a numeric fact. If would exists a "Popey Spinach" who warrants magic results, Russia certainly have no economical ways to furnish them still to the kids.
May be that discipline of american be minor than russian, but look to the mass of athletes from are extracted those champions and compare with the american.
We doesn´t know what proportion of kids are discarded or participate with very low results in local championships.
One of my friends was to Moscow to train there, and came back in two weeks: the coach spoke to him: " with my training you will lift 150 kgs", and the boy had already lifted 160.
Comparison in sports, for signifcant results must be done in research conditions.
This relation only allows say: "Russia has a better nivel than USA in weightlifting", and "this is proyectable to the next years".
Only.

[MasterChief]

Taking into account that numerous american athletes in wide variety of sports have been caught using illegal substances one
should not put the blame on steroids when trying to explain the bad level of american weight lifters.

These numbers actually just underline the fact that america hasn't had any good lifter in decades.
On sportivny press you can find a five parts long series about the reasons for this misery.
No direct link Go to Misinformation Engineering and choose than the
article "There is no system I to V"

[Chris Ⓐ LeRoux]

Tara Nott-Cunningham, Wes Barnett, and Oscar Chaplin weren't good lifters?

[Arturo Gómez]

I think is very difficult to discipline ourselves to speak rigurously. "good lifter" is not defined. So, if we are only talking, we will use inexact, undefined and sometimes contradictory expressions. They show a general view of our opininon and vision. But with this way of  reasoning we can´t  get a valid conclusion. We may enter in a infinite loop of opinions and examples.

[John Way]

Chris, I would say those 3 were great lifters,

plus the 2001 Number One world junior championship Womens team were from the USA