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Offline ViKtoricus

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How "weaker" do you get during your "bad days?"
« on: Jul 28, 2011, 03:49 AM »
I had a training session last tuesday. I maxed out on the snatch, clean+jerk, and front squat.

Results:

Snatch = 115 pounds

Clean+Jerk (failed jerk) = 175 pounds

Front Squat = 215 pounds



Now here's what happened. The next morning, I thought I was supposed to do a training session, but it turns out that was actually supposed to be TODAY (Thursday)! /facepalm.

I only realized this after I did my snatch routine, which was...

70 pounds X 2 reps, 80 pounds X 1 rep, 95 pounds X 1 rep X 3 sets...



So after I did that, I wanted to try to break out a PR. I've attempted 125 several times and failed. This time, I attempted 115 and it only went up to chest-level. Not high enough for me to catch.

So is this expected of me?

Just wanted to hear some thoughts. I'm pretty sure I'm far from over reaching. lol  biggrin:)

I've power-snatched 115 before.
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Offline Matt Erdman

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Re: How "weaker" do you get during your "bad days?"
« Reply #1 on: Jul 28, 2011, 08:38 AM »
I don't train Bulgarian style and I don't recommend it. Having said that I don't really have "bad days". If I am feeling fatigue, I just pump myself up to hit the required intensity and then trim some volume and remedial work.

From the people I have seen max out everyday, you can expect no small amount of fluctuations.
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Re: How "weaker" do you get during your "bad days?"
« Reply #2 on: Jul 28, 2011, 10:48 AM »
Is a real problem.
Great variations are complicated, because a chain brokes in the weaker link.
So, is important controll the variation in the trainings, limiting very low performances, and identificate the causes.
Is similar to the "quality control" or "process control" in the industry.
For similar training, each of us have an associated normal variation. This is product of several causes, as variations in rests, enviromental variables, etc.
An estrategy is use a Shewhart chart to identificate the most significant causes and work with them.
A simplified example in the file: the calculus identifies the "lack of control" with the criterio of 3 sigmas
The data (simulated for be similar to the case of the post) represent a serie of registers in the time (may be a semanal test). We calcul the mean and the standard deviation from the data. "Empirical law" says that more than 99% of the cases will be among mean + 3 standard deviations and mean - 3 standard deviations. So, if a case is off that range, we must think that there is an associated problem.
The column identified as "result" checks if the register is in or out of the control interval. In the case, we are interested only if it is lower than expected, but the technique applies to higher, too.
Identified the outlier, it must be analised to identifie its cause.
After, it is deleted for the calculus, the mean will improve and the standard deviation will decrease. If not appear a new "lack of control", you have green light to continue training and registering.
This is a basic approach, you can check trends, cycles, etc.

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Re: How "weaker" do you get during your "bad days?"
« Reply #3 on: Jul 28, 2011, 02:42 PM »
From the people I have seen max out everyday, you can expect no small amount of fluctuations.

Do you mean I can expect BIG fluctuations? Or are you saying that I should NOT expect fluctuations?

I just wanted to clarify that...
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Re: How "weaker" do you get during your "bad days?"
« Reply #4 on: Jul 28, 2011, 06:11 PM »
From the people I have seen max out everyday, you can expect no small amount of fluctuations.

Do you mean I can expect BIG fluctuations? Or are you saying that I should NOT expect fluctuations?

I just wanted to clarify that...
There can be big fluctuations.
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