Interesting situation Arturo, In problem 1 of course the 400 kg squatter would make rapid progress but the 200 kg squatter who clean and jerks 150 might improve substantially with a focus on strength building. But, chances are that person B, unexceptional in either aspect, has already spent a great deal of time squatting and cleaning and is less likely to make the level of improvement necessary. I would feel more comfortable betting on pupil A who already has demonstrated considerable ability in a key functional indicator. However in the case of a novice with neither developed leg strength or established clean & jerk technique I am not sure that first developing prodigious leg strength and then developing weightlifting technique is the right sequence. I am inclined to believe that whatever B was doing was generally the right thing to do.
I hardly train recently but since May 2010 I have almost done no squats (that aren't part of a clean) because my gym does not have squat racks even though
Squat will typically be 125-135% of the C&J.Front squat will typically be 110-120% of the C&J.
Bumping this a bit to talk about it. I also think this can coincide with the "It's not about squatting heavy anymore..." topic.First a side note...Quote from: Shaun Le Conte on May 08, 2011, 11:19 PMI hardly train recently but since May 2010 I have almost done no squats (that aren't part of a clean) because my gym does not have squat racks even though I see to possible options (possibly not realistic): 1. You can go old school Paul Anderson and dig a hole in the ground and squat in there and use the ground as a squat stand. 2. Would they let you bring some boxes (think lower version of jerk boxes) or the like that you can front squat or squat over?
It's been said that squats drive up the Olympic lifts, provided that the Olympic lifts are performed on a regular schedule with the squats. Well then, squat gains are not a necessary and sufficient condition for improvements in the snatch & cj. There are of course other muscles involved in OL that are not trained well with squats so something has to be done in addition to squats or strength proportions will not be maintained and the relation between squat and OL will weaken for that lifter
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