This is of great interest to me. I've written pretty extensively on the superiority of the low bar back squat for general strength training. I posted a lot about it on Starting Strength and one of my articles there was about it.But then I came around to Glenn Pendlay's arguments (and the generally accepted belief) that WL and athletics in general favor the use of the high bar back squat and the front squat.BUT upping my low bar squat had a profound effect on both my high bar back squat and front squat. My front squat was highest back when I trained the low bar back squat to exclusion! Days after I low bar squatted 418 with a belt in a USAPL meet (definitely below parallel because it's USAPL) I also front squatted 275. These days I'm a bit weaker and my best front squat recently was a hard 264. So in my experience the low bar back squat brought up the high bar back squat and the front squat. It also had a nearly one-to-one effect on my deadlifts.Now I'm focusing on WL instead of raw PL. And from what I can tell so far, the lifts with the greatest effects on the classical lifts are...the classical lifts! I'm alternating high bar and front squats, but I can't help but wonder if I wouldn't be better off just using the low bar squat (with a belt) to get stronger and then practicing the classical lifts instead of insisting on using the high bar and front squats. Why do a lift that mimics just half of one of the classical lifts instead of just using the squat that induces strength gains best and then just practicing the lifts? But the experts have been saying for years that the back squat and front squat are better than the low bar squat because they induce strength gains a bit more specific to what's needed in the classical lifts. I dunno. Like I said, the low bar was doing a good job of getting me stronger in both the high bar and front squat; doesn't that imply I was getting stronger in a way specific enough?
I sprained my meniscus in march.. I have been training consistently for about 3 months now. my clean technique has improved so much that i clean and jerk close to or my actual max front squat depending on how fresh/tired my CNS is. I dont back squat, only fronts anymore. we'll see how I do at the american open.
Quote from: Tom Sherwood on Nov 04, 2010, 12:29 PMI sprained my meniscus in march.. I have been training consistently for about 3 months now. my clean technique has improved so much that i clean and jerk close to or my actual max front squat depending on how fresh/tired my CNS is. I dont back squat, only fronts anymore. we'll see how I do at the american open.How frequently do you train Tom? Do you do SN,CJ,FS for your workouts?
When I first saw your reply, Sean, I actually thought it was you who was saying that squats are not that important because it would fit with what I believe to be the general training plan that is followed at LSUS You guys definitely do a tremendous amount of strength training but squats are really just a small part of it. For instance, if we look at the below image, there is a lot more pressing and deadlifting than there is squats
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