Topic: My minor squatting issue

[Aussie]

Hey everyone! I"m almost at the end of my first training cycle. I max out this Saturday with the snatch & C&J. I feel that my snatch has gone up possibly 2.5kg. Not sure about my Clean. It's improved that's what i'm sure of!!! I"ll probably do the exact same program all over again, since it's obviously working.

Now, in terms of front/back squatting...i have a minor issue. All my squatting work is done at the end of a session. For example i'll do snatch balances -> cleans -> jerks from the racks -> snatch high pulls THEN back squats. When it comes to doing my squats, I'm quite fatigued. I'm not tired as in sleepy, but 80% for example feels a lot heavier than that. It feels a bit heavier. In my last session on  Saturday, I did doubles of 85% & even That was a struggle.

Should I take my squat 1RM & lower it by 10% or something & roll from there. Or what? Is this common?! I'll talk to my coach about it tomorrow. I've talked to a senior lifter & he said it happens to him, he's just use to it & powers through it.  Possibly a few yum'o jelly beans before my squats?!

[Matt Erdman]

I personally rank squats much, much higher than pulls. I would never do pulls before squats.

Other than that, you just need to adjust the overall volume until your work capacity is improved.

[Mike Cook]

Maybe it is a bit too much to try to max out on Snatch, C&J, Front Squat and Back Squat all in one day.  Would it be possible for you to spread those out over 2 days, with a day off in between for recovery?  I.e., on Thursday, max out on Snatch and back squat, then have a rest & recovery day on Friday and then max out on C&J and front squat on Saturday. 

[Markus Demeglio]

Its a work capacity issue. Take out some of the less important stuff and get used to that and its volume. Over time you can add one exercise at a time and assess how you feel.

[Owen Duguay]

Mr Demeglio :   would it not be a good idea to lower his weights in the front and back squats and eventually build up.   This would prevent a possible injury.  Have a great day everyone.   

[Aussie]

Its a work capacity issue. Take out some of the less important stuff and get used to that and its volume. Over time you can add one exercise at a time and assess how you feel.

how the heck do i work out the 'less important stuff' in a work out as previously discussed? Pulls, jerks & snatch balances are all pretty important...yeah?!

[Justin Ott]

I only do 3 different exercises in a training session, squats are always last. 85% for doubles are hard for me too, so suck it up princess!:)

[Markus Demeglio]

Mr Demeglio :   would it not be a good idea to lower his weights in the front and back squats and eventually build up.   This would prevent a possible injury.  Have a great day everyone.

Squatting less than 80% doesnt build the strength base very much so lowering the weight will then make them fatigue the legs without the intensity to develop strength.

Its a work capacity issue. Take out some of the less important stuff and get used to that and its volume. Over time you can add one exercise at a time and assess how you feel.

how the heck do i work out the 'less important stuff' in a work out as previously discussed? Pulls, jerks & snatch balances are all pretty important...yeah?!

If you cant get through your workout, then youre doing too much. So yeah, pulls are nice, but you get more return on pulling by doing the classical lifts, so if you have to choose go with the latter. You have two overhead movements, pick one and save one for another day. Then do squats.

If your workout is easy, then add one exercise and stay with it until you can handle the volume without feeling fatigued (this could take weeks), then add the other movement that you feel is necessary for your improvement.