Topic: Governmental Support For Amateur Sport

[Chris Ⓐ LeRoux]

Right John Way, America betrayed its own values by entering WWI, for no good reason. The Federal Reserve and income taxes were the result of that tyranny. Wilson also imprisoned hundreds of thousands of Americans for simply speaking against entering the war. Up until that point (1913), the USA was the fastest rising economic power in World history. Its been downhill ever since. As for greed on Wall Street- that is a very good thing. Anyone who doesn't want to make money with a job on Wall Street is in the wrong business. Does anyone not want to make money? If so, I want nothing to do with them because that means they would rather steal from others than make their own money. Recessions are a normal part of economics. It is fact that the first depression in America occurred roughly 20 years after the introduction of fake money and the income tax (1913 to 1929).

[dabrock]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions_in_the_United_States The fiat money system is really a house of cards and I don't trust it (this last 2 years are a good reason why) but it's not the cause of the business cycle. My real fear is pent up inflation that could hit very hard in the next two years.

[dabrock]

Chris, you might be interested in this http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_fed04.htm based on this book http://www.amazon.com/Creature-Jekyll-Island-Federal-Reserve/dp/0912986212 It's a look at the Feds creation and problems it has created.

[Mike Wittmer]

Roads and bridges should be private, unless needed for national defense and not provided by private enterprise. Defense should be funded by voluntary means only, as all government should- i.e., lotteries, fee for usage (court, police, etc). Remember, we had no income tax in the USA until 1913 and did just fine. In fact, not long after we established the income tax and federal reserve (fake money), we had our first depression, the great depression.

Back to the topic, I would be against state support for weightlifting.  As much as we would like it, I don't think my neighbors should have to pay for my son's Elieko set or travel to national competitions.

I do believe that the federal government is charged with maintaining a military to protect our borders and also support an infrastructure.  Have you checked out the Constitution Party?
Mike

[Chris Ⓐ LeRoux]

Mike, I am glad we agree on this issue. Yes, I am very familiar with the Constitutional party. As national media director of the Objectivist party, I would happily work with them and greatly respect them. But, I do not believe the Constitution is of much value. It was a betrayal of the Declaration of Independence as voiced by Thomas Jefferson before editing by others. We were better off before it was signed. I am an anti-federalist, basically in line with Jefferson. I believe in natural rights, common law, and individual sovereignty. The Constitution betrayed all these things- hence the insane, current federal government regulating where we go, what we say, what we eat, what we put in our bodies, what we trade, what we do with our own money, etc, etc. Tyrants, all of them. I hate them.

[Mike Wittmer]

The Constitution betrayed all these things- hence the insane, current federal government regulating where we go, what we say, what we eat, what we put in our bodies, what we trade, what we do with our own money, etc, etc. Tyrants, all of them. I hate them.

Really?  Interesting.  My take on it is that the politicians have betrayed the Constitution.  So much that goes on in Washington is unconstitutional.  Mike

[Chris Ⓐ LeRoux]

If the intent of the Constitution were followed consistently, we would be much better off. But, the perverts believe they are following it- believe the commerce, welfare, and supremacy clauses support their evil. The document wasn't restrictive enough of the brute force power of the State. The reality is that natural and common law were already well established and had no need of government. The people enforced the law of the land. The Declaration of Independence gave all the people sovereignty and that is all they need.

[Chris Ⓐ LeRoux]

There is not much I could ever say compared to Thomas Jefferson. I believe he said it all, even before Ayn Rand- though she fleshed out the details and reasons. All that I am is represented between those two people really, or very close:

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