Judas LOL.Personally, I see no shame in your quest to maintain your bench press. As long as it doesn't compromise your shoulder flexibility to go overhead I would not be too concerned.I recently re-introduce "bench like" movements because, well, to be frank, my boobies were not as taut as I'd prefer. But a secondary motivation was I'm changing an event technique that requires a good bit of shoulder/chest/upper back rotational torque - the event is called "singe buck" or "single hand sawing" or "one person crosscut sawing."Given that I train every other day, my routine turned into the followingDay 1 - a.m. Power Snatch, Overhead Squat, Back Squat, Snatch Pull, 4 board, abs p.m kettlebell conditioningDay 2- Event trainDay 3 -a.m. Power Clean or box squat clean, push press, front squat, clean pull, 2 board, abs p.m. kettlebell conditioningDay 4 - rest or light event trainDay 5 - a.m. Snatch, Clean and jerk, back squat, Deadlift, ring push ups or incline, abs. p.m kettlebell conditioningDay 6 - Heavy Event workDay 7 - light event work or rest.Given that it's my offseason, my event work is pretty high volume working on technique. And my gym work is about getting fit and as strong as I can for the onslaught of the upcoming season. High Volume on the reps and pretty heavy on the percentages - but not over 85%.The inclusion of the pressing movements, I think, has helped me adjust to some technical changes in my single hand sawing. Loving it. And I've not compromised any overhead flexibility. If anything, it's made my jerks "solid-er." All the best, Arden Arden
Judas, I gotta tell you, I say props to a fellow who can lie down with little training and push up 365 with little or no effort. That speaks volume to me. You say you've put a lot into it and it is hard to give it up - I completely understand where you're coming from. And it's not a completely meaningless lift. Most folk who are not lifting experienced refer to the bench as the tell all of personal strength. When those of us that know, know that other lifts are a better indication of overall physical strength.
I had to give up just about all ego when I went down this path about 20 months ago. No more low bar/wide stance squats. No supportive equipment. No more need to pull anything over 200 kilos. No real need to squat anything over 200 kilos. No real need for bench at all. No need for curls. No need for tricep pushdowns. No need for ever doing a calf raise ever again!!!!
With all that said, I goof around every once in a while and do things I haven't done for 20 months and amazingly I'm as strong, if not stronger now, than I was when I was doing the movements twice a week. I like to call it the "WTH" effect of proper athletic training.
Enjoy the ride. I know I am. My technique is less horrible than it was 20 months ago, but it's still not beyond mediocre. I'm working on "positive self talk." On some of my training vids you can actually hear me scream - "I SUCK!!" My coach reminds me to stop the negativity and say "This sucks." I'm learning.All the best, Arden
Arden,It did take me a while for the transition , but the biggest change from powerlifting to Olympic lifting is how much more empasis there has to be on technique . I would say at least 85 % , but some people would naturally disagree . They seem to think that if one has a big squat that they will be the best Oly lifter around and that has been proven going back to some of the best lifters , including Alexeev , Pisarenko who didn't go much higher in their squat than what they cleaned ! In Alexeev's era they were many who could out squat him , including some of his Russian team-mates , but couldn't out lift him in head to head contests ! O ne of the main things I learned from Fred was One pushes off and through the floor,therefore using your big legs until the bar reaches the top of the legs . Telling yourself to stay over the bar , keeping the shoulder angle the same until the bar gets to the top of your legs. Of course, all of these mental things are locked in before you even grab the bar. There's a lot of lifters who make the mistake of trying to think "about the lift" during the lift , it just doesn't work !!When you are being coached at a meet , it does help to hear from the coach (from the side) ,"shoulders over the bar,keep it close and finish it " ! Some people thought it didn't help the lifter , but if it helped Fred Lowe win 8 National titles , that's good enough for me !All the best in all you do !Dave Peterson
All that powerlifting **** they tell you to build a good core is just that... ****. I'd rack-pulled 800lbs and partialed near-700lbs in the squat rack, GM'ed 405lbs... i could out-ab anybody... and my core was STILL my weakness.
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