Topic: A training report from John Broz's gym

[Dave Chiu]

MD seems unaware of what Broz has given

to become the expert he is.

You are free to disagree w/ his interpretations of his experience,

but to do so w/o knowing the latter is rather ignorant.

If recruiting good athletes to lift were so easy

HUNDREDS of those who are jealous of Broz

would do so too.

[Markus Demeglio]

MD seems unaware of what Broz has given to become the expert he is.

You are free to disagree w/ his interpretations of his experience, but to do so w/o knowing the latter is rather ignorant.

Im not sure what youre referring to so please clarify. Hes a good lifter, trained with good coaches, I hope he succeeds, but that doesnt take away from the comments I quoted.

If recruiting good athletes to lift were so easy HUNDREDS of those who are jealous of Broz would do so too.

It has nothing to do with jealousy as this happens in many sports, thanks for playing though. Its a classic case of attributing the result to the 'system' rather than the athlete. No one said that recruiting was easy because even out of all of Broz's lifters, how many of them are actually competing solely for weightlifting? From his YT site, comments, etc. I think its only Pat Mendes (but someone who knows more can surely jump in on that). Recruiting is a huge issue for OL in this country and will remain one regardless of how good you can coach technique or the system you use.

When you take really good athletes, many can withstand a poor training system and succeed despite it (look at football). That doesnt mean the way they trained is the driver of the success and that certainly doesnt mean that you can generalize that system to everybody. It doesnt seem like Broz is aware of that in his comments or is unaware of his audience in that forum, which is where the naivete comes in. To his credit, at least he is aware that Pat is was an elite athlete even before he started coaching him.

Additionally, his comment on how to coach strongman is big red flag to me. I have been involved in that sport and have trained some athletes for it, and I can say that no one (elite or otherwise) gets by by training how he proposed (i.e. max out in the gym every time but do events sparingly). There are lots of strong gym lifters in SM but do not have 100% carryover to the actual implements. If you want to survive in that sport, you build your technique in the implements and train for the events in your contest while letting weightlifting and/or powerlifting be your base and address weaknesses. The reason for this is that contests vary a lot and success in one event doesnt guarantee success in the same event thats changed (i.e. going from a 10'' log press to a 12'' log press).

[Erik Blekeberg]

It has nothing to do with jealousy as this happens in many sports, thanks for playing though. Its a classic case of attributing the result to the 'system' rather than the athlete. No one said that recruiting was easy because even out of all of Broz's lifters, how many of them are actually competing solely for weightlifting? From his YT site, comments, etc. I think its only Pat Mendes (but someone who knows more can surely jump in on that). Recruiting is a huge issue for OL in this country and will remain one regardless of how good you can coach technique or the system you use.

It might only be Pat now but, it has only been a year. It took Bulgaria 3 years to win some medals.

Also, I think he and Pat work well together and that helps with Pat's success. You can still ruin great athletes if you are a poor coach. So, it seems that Pat and John mesh well together and it is producing results. That is what matters.