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Offline Barry Kinsella

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A training report from John Broz's gym
« on: Dec 27, 2009, 06:39 AM »
My friend Cathal Byrd was in Vegas over December and wrote a guest article for my blog on his experience training with John and Pat Mendes. Some of you may be interested in reading it.

http://weightliftingepiphanies.blogspot.com/


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Re: A training report from John Broz's gym
« Reply #1 on: Dec 27, 2009, 07:33 AM »
Thanks for sharing. The video of P. Mendez snatching 182.5 kg caused a stir on the internet so to hear he has now snatched 185 and almost snatched 190 is going to rock some minds.
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Re: A training report from John Broz's gym
« Reply #2 on: Dec 27, 2009, 07:42 AM »
I was chatting to him a while back and he has actually Snatched 190. He did it over the last two weeks and he has also back squatted 350kg.

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Re: A training report from John Broz's gym
« Reply #3 on: Dec 27, 2009, 07:45 AM »
It would really be something if he can break Shane's snatch record.
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Re: A training report from John Broz's gym
« Reply #4 on: Dec 27, 2009, 10:16 PM »
Pat is a beast and I look forward to seeing what he can do in 2012.

I also really want to meet with John Broz and pick his brain. Hell I would even pay to train out in Vegas for a while. Its been a while since I have had a coach.
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Re: A training report from John Broz's gym
« Reply #5 on: Jan 01, 2010, 06:16 AM »
My impression of Broz's "system"

is that it is a very instinctual/informed method

that takes a LOT of bkgr to even attempt --

not the ind of thing you can pick up in less than 100 hrs

(more twd the 10,000 end).
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Re: A training report from John Broz's gym
« Reply #6 on: Jan 01, 2010, 08:16 PM »
I saw this thread on bb.com:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=121212081&page=2

All I can do is shake my head at it. Broz really sounds like a 'bro' in that thread. He recruits a handful of really good athletes and has them OL, then everyone thinks hes the coaching-god of OL when hes only been coaching for a year.

Seriously, when he says things like this:

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4) I personally believe that this type of training (bulgarian) works for all lifters. Although whoever has the most desire will be the one with all the success.


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Training lifts will eventually start to go backwards as you enter into the "dark times". When you are so sore and fatigued that you cant even imagine lifting weights. This time is CRUCIAL to training. You MUST persevere and continue to train! Eventually your lifts will begin to improve and you will make progress and PR's while in a totally fatigued state. When you can make progress when feeling like this, this is when you are going somewhere.


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2) percentages don't work. I go down 20-30 and if its too easy, then we go back up. there are times that the reps end up being more than what was the original max that day. The body is amazing when you push it. You never know what you are capable of doing on any given day. The way you feel is a lie.

3)this is a tough one to swallow for most... THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS OVERTRAINING!!! if you can't do something you are not in good enough shape. Here is a story:

IF you got a job as a garbage man (or run a jackhammer, or some other physically demanding job) and had to pick up heavy cans all day long, I'm sure the first day would be very difficult - possibly almost impossible for some to complete so what do you do? take 3 days off and possibly lose your job? NO! you would take your sore, beaten self to work the next day. You would mope around and be fatigued - much less energetic than the previous day, but you would make yourself get through it. Get home, soak in the tub, take aspirin, etc. The next day would be worse..etc. etc. Eventually you will be running down the street tossing cans around and joking with your coworkers. How did this happen? You forced your body to adapt to the job at hand! IF you cant' squat everyday, lift heavy everyday then you are not OVERTRAINED, you are UNDERTRAINED!


All I can see is inexperience as a coach. Most non-elite people Ive seen train like this (and without drugs) have simply ended up injured, burned out, or stagnant.

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Re: A training report from John Broz's gym
« Reply #7 on: Jan 01, 2010, 09:42 PM »
Who was Pat with before John?
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