There is nothing about it to do with a level playing field. But I do agree with Mike in the fact that for now it is the rules and we have to follow them. Yes other countries are skriting the system by paying the fines for the lifters but I don't think it is good to take the stance "well if you can't beat them, join them." But that is just my opinion, I was always the moral high ground guy, at the end of the day if USAW pays the fine I am not going to lose any sleep over it.
Just to play the devils advocate, I have heard the argument that money could be better spent on allowing other lifters to lift internationally. However, helping Norik lift again may have the benefit of allowing more slots for the future Olympics as well so there could be a benefit just not a monetary one.
First, because it is an immoral rule that should not be enforced or supported; second, because it is a lie and nothing based on a lie, a denial of reality, can be moral;
third, because it is not objective, being based on arbitrarily determined fines. Thus it is not applied equally and acts retroactively (not knowing the fine in advance). Post de facto regulation = unjust. Etc.
All of my arguments are moral arguments, even the call for it being a wise investment to pay it off entirely and seeking mutual interest (each pay half) since seeking mutual interest and consent is the height of morality.
You can say it is immoral to enforce the rule but whether we (USAW) agree with that or not does not change the fact that we have to abide by the IWF ruling or we do not lift in international competitions. Again, I think it is a stupid rule too.
The BOD decision was unanimous and there was no other option given even slight consideration. If a majority of voters do not approve of BOD actions, they can vote BOD members out of office, something that is much easier to do under the new bylaws.
In the mean time, while I will listen to the opinions and rationale of other members, I will vote for what I think is the right thing to do.
I think paying the $5000 fine for a lifter puts other lifters at a disadvantage. For example, a couple of kids would be at the disadvantage of having to come up with the travel expense to go on an international trip because USAW is spending it's money bailing out drug offenders.
What lie are you referring to?
Looking at it that way Norik should pay all the 5,000 and that 5,000 that would go to him should go to fixing the broke system by getting the rule changed or getting the right people in place to change the rule. That would be of the highest moral outcome that would benefit all would it not?"
Mike,Quote from: MikeYou can say it is immoral to enforce the rule but whether we (USAW) agree with that or not does not change the fact that we have to abide by the IWF ruling or we do not lift in international competitions. Again, I think it is a stupid rule too.Unjust rules require non-compliance and non-cooperation from the just. There are always choices. I've been offering one in particular for many years now. IMO the USAW should stand by its athletes against injustice, not appease it.There are consequences to your actions. We are saying do not use marijuana if you want to lift for the United States. That is your choice. Use it, accept the risk that comes with that, or not.
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