Topic: Technique Help Please

[Brooke Burkhalter]

Add 15% more weight? Would that help you think? There is no back arch at any point in the lift, and then add 15%? Do you lift yourself, or are you kidding?

Sjaak

I agree with him that I should power clean that weight because I pull it high enough but.........

Not arching enough at the start is more me just not having that ingrained enough, in other words it is something I half to think of, not a  strength thing. When I concentrate on tightening lats fully and arching, no problem holding it UNTIL the bottom.
 
Glad he has more confidence in my lifting than i do.

[Philip Middleton]

Add 15% more weight? Would that help you think? There is no back arch at any point in the lift, and then add 15%? Do you lift yourself, or are you kidding?

Sjaak

There is back arch, you can see he tightens his back before he starts his pull, you can also see his back is arched before the weight comes crashing down on him; it then rounds and he loses it.

It's the momentum that bar is generating in its EXCESSIVE free fall that's causing his back to give out. 15% more weight caught from a lower, more reasonable, height would generate a lot less momentum to crash down on him than what he currently is doing.

If he backed himself, I imagine he would handle it no problem.

[Jack]

Well, I know contracted erectors can conceal the back arch during pulling, but prior to lift off I do not see much of an arch, and not before the bar is caught during bar weightlessness.  The bar fall is not that excessive, the squat is to the "rear", with vertical shins. It is nearly impossible to control that weight in that manner. The load is too much at these lifts, and, or because, the lifter is depleted. Stopping lifting, or less load would be appropiate, not more at this instance.

Sjaak

[Philip Middleton]

Food for thought anyway,

My biggest concern was the lift should have been a high power clean, failing that, considering the height the weight was pulled to he should of riden the weight down, but he didn't, it crashed on him. This will surely be a huge contributor to him losing his tight core/upright torso; whatever we call it and subsequently the losing the weight.

As far as the arch issue goes, no doubt it is probably something to look at, there will always be room for improvement. It is possibly contributing to some missed lifts, but so long as his back as is tight as he can make it, that will suffice until his back flexibility improves.

[Jack]

The "crashing" you see, is not the main determant. You think adding weight, so that that the pull was not as high, would have made the lift, or have a better chance of it because the "crashing down" was avoided? The strength to pull a weight to sufficient racking height, is not enough.

Sjaak
 

[Philip Middleton]

The "crashing" you see, is not the main determant.

Without actually spending time with the individual lifter to look at different possibilities more closely I would most definitely say the crashing is the main determent and certainly the most easily fixed.

[Jack]

Easy fixes. Well, to each his own. Let me wish you lots of luck with your lifters. And Visa Versa.

Sjaak

[Brooke Burkhalter]

Sjaak,

Personally for me arching is matter of - Making sure I concentrate on doing it.

Today I did some power cleans with a concentration on arching harder and more. The result was better bar placement in the rack which allowed me to keep a more upright torso during and after receiving the bar. I am assuming this is your reasoning for saying arch harder.....?