Topic: Double-knee bend/scoop

[Mike Wittmer]

I teach it more as sliding the bar up the thighs with emphasis on shifting into the power or finish pull position.

Hmm, if that is teaching the double knee bend, I teach it also. I just don't call it the double knee bend and don't focus on telling them to bring the knees forward after the bar passes (because I HATE seeing hitches and kicks).

Probably, does not matter what you call it.  I will have them stand up with the weight right at the hips (snatch grip) or upper thigh (clean) and pause.  Then ask them to finish the lift.  Most will bend the knees just as they would if they were going to jump.  That is the position I want after the second pull.  It is easy if you slide the bar up the thighs and shift into the power position.

1. dead lift to the knees
2. slide up the thighs and shift
3. jump
4. shrug
5. pull under

[Mike Wittmer]

Mike, thanks for the input.

Then that suggests that the double-knee bend is not a result of weakness/inefficiency.  If they could 'clean' without a double knee, where the torque demand on the back was much higher, the double knee bend must be a more efficient technique allowing more weight.  This increase in weight is probably more a culprit in L5-S1 sensitivity.

I would agree "that the double-knee bend is not a result of weakness/inefficiency".  And I also agree that
"the double knee bend must be a more efficient technique allowing more weight." 

It was a long time ago, but it probably took me 4-6 weeks to get it down and when I did my lifts jumped
10 kilos. 

[Chris Ⓐ LeRoux]

Yes, that is in large part how I teach the lifts.

I teach it more as sliding the bar up the thighs with emphasis on shifting into the power or finish pull position.

Hmm, if that is teaching the double knee bend, I teach it also. I just don't call it the double knee bend and don't focus on telling them to bring the knees forward after the bar passes (because I HATE seeing hitches and kicks).

Probably, does not matter what you call it.  I will have them stand up with the weight right at the hips (snatch grip) or upper thigh (clean) and pause.  Then ask them to finish the lift.  Most will bend the knees just as they would if they were going to jump.  That is the position I want after the second pull.  It is easy if you slide the bar up the thighs and shift into the power position.

1. dead lift to the knees
2. slide up the thighs and shift
3. jump
4. shrug
5. pull under

[Chris Ⓐ LeRoux]

I am sure I did the double knee bend for a very long time with no idea I was doing a double knee bend.

Mike, thanks for the input.

Then that suggests that the double-knee bend is not a result of weakness/inefficiency.  If they could 'clean' without a double knee, where the torque demand on the back was much higher, the double knee bend must be a more efficient technique allowing more weight.  This increase in weight is probably more a culprit in L5-S1 sensitivity.

I would agree "that the double-knee bend is not a result of weakness/inefficiency".  And I also agree that
"the double knee bend must be a more efficient technique allowing more weight." 

It was a long time ago, but it probably took me 4-6 weeks to get it down and when I did my lifts jumped
10 kilos.