Topic: 200kg HANG Snatch?!?!

[polde kmetkrompirjevec]

Officialy his best is 190+230 in Russia is a man called Evgeniy Chigishev, he was second in Beijing with 460kg in total. So why would Rigert, choose Misha?

[Shaun Le Conte]

Can have more than one lifer in a weight class as we all know. Usually Russia does not have a representative in the lightest couple weight classes so they have often doubled up in the heavy classes in the past.

[Chuck Lopez]

why would rigert choose misha? because his snatch is at least as good as chigishev's and his clean is stronger now; I think misha has more brute strength now than chigishev (chigishev's one of my favs though), as far as I can tell having 2 210kg snatchers and at least 240kg clean&jerkers on your team is never a bad thing.

[Patrick Bateman]

Misha never won a gold medal at the Olympics. That is 200kg. He has no reason to lie about the weight on the bar as he does not even compete in weightlifting. 25kg+10kg+20kg+10kg(small russian plates)+2.5kg+Collars(2.5kg)+5kg each side.

He was kicked off the Russian team because Rigert wanted to be listed as his #1 coach yet he had never coached Misha in his life so out of principle Misha refused because he couldn't betray his real coach. Rigert never let him on the national team. That is how I understood it.

yes my bad.

He competed in the 1996 olympics. no gold.

As nice a guy as he is, i still think he is on banned substances

[Dave Chiu]

Uh...

Name some of the lifters in the last 30-40 yrs whom you are reasonably sure won Olympic gold w/o enhancement.

[Patrick Bateman]

Uh...

Name some of the lifters in the last 30-40 yrs whom you are reasonably sure won Olympic gold w/o enhancement.

I think there is difference between:

(i)Taking a mild banned substances which allow you not to fail a drug test

(ii)Going wild with hard substances that will cause you to faila  drug test everytime.

Imo, drug tests don't act as tools to completely eradicate drug usage. They act as tools to limit it and make sure it doesn't get to excessive.

I suspect misha's drug usage is excessive

[Dave Chiu]

A good point, although the libertarian side of me thinks that if there were no banned enhancements, athletes w/ a sense a responsibility about their long-term well-being would establish a good balance between performance and health.

Such a balance would become a regular topic of discussion on fora like this one, and stupid (or at least ignorant) abuse would be naturally inhibited.  Prohibition tends to multiply excesses.

Some folks have a higher threshold for abuse, like the exceptional 90 yr-old smoker, but in general, time will tell.

[Patrick Bateman]

A good point, although the libertarian side of me thinks that if there were no banned enhancements, athletes w/ a sense a responsibility about their long-term well-being would establish a good balance between performance and health.

Such a balance would become a regular topic of discussion on fora like this one, and stupid (or at least ignorant) abuse would be naturally inhibited.  Prohibition tends to multiply excesses.

Some folks have a higher threshold for abuse, like the exceptional 90 yr-old smoker, but in general, time will tell.

Yes very true. If all substances were allowed, then there would be another aspect to training, and that is the ability to take lots of substances without detriment.

The trouble is most athletes at that elite level don't care about their own health, they just want to win, and don't care if they are killing themselves to do so, so it will be very hard to make sure the usage is kept at a 'healthy' level.