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Offline Taylor Chiu

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Re: New Utah State Record!
« Reply #8 on: Jan 29, 2009, 11:21 AM »
Thanks for the advice! 

Paul, from the way it felt, that was one of those snatches where you either immediately run forward to save the lift, or just lose it forward.  However, what you mentioned is definitely something to watch out for generally.

Chris, I think you're right about my hips being a little low at the start.  I'll try and work on that!

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Re: New Utah State Record!
« Reply #9 on: Jan 30, 2009, 09:35 AM »
Taylor,

I watching this lift again, it looks like your jumping forward just a hair.  It is hard to really tell since the camera is not locked down on a tripod.  It may be interesting for you to video some max efforts from a side angle and really see if you are jumping forward.  If you are, you need to fix it and the fix comes from correcting bar path somewhere along the line.  The fix is probably right off the floor with the hips being too low.  Again, great lift!  Good luck at Utah State Championships.  I hope you can get 120!
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Re: New Utah State Record!
« Reply #10 on: Jan 31, 2009, 03:11 PM »
Congratulations Taylor!

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Offline Taylor Chiu

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Re: New Utah State Record!
« Reply #11 on: Feb 03, 2009, 04:38 PM »
Paul-

I think you're right about jumping forward.  It is very, very, very rare that I drop a weight behind.

I think it's because my shoulders are not far enough in front of the bar for the first half of the lift, which would also explain why my knees lag behind the bar (when they should be coming forward).  Thus, instead of scooping the bar, I'm bumping it forward at the top of the pull.

Thanks Sjaak!

Taylor

Offline Carl Darby

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Re: New Utah State Record!
« Reply #12 on: Feb 03, 2009, 06:43 PM »
First, let me congratulate you on your lifts and the record. I can only hope that soon, I will be trying to make a successful 117 snatch look better.

I too fight a chronic misplacement of the weight forward. What has helped me is to slow down the first pull, enough so that I am sure the bar is going where it is supposed to and that I don't begin the second pull too soon.

Besides the stuff that has already been pointed out, I notice your elbows bending too soon. Again, rushing the second pull? Anyway, its worth a try.

Offline Dave Chiu

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Re: New Utah State Record!
« Reply #13 on: Feb 05, 2009, 01:22 AM »

Taylor's been doing that to ensure getting the bar high enough.

There has been a sea change of lifters going w/ a high hip kick in the last decade or two.

Has anyone got experience w/ a straight arms way of getting the height, even w/ longish arms?
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Re: New Utah State Record!
« Reply #14 on: Feb 05, 2009, 09:45 AM »
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There has been a sea change of lifters going w/ a high hip kick in the last decade or two.

Why would you consider these changes to be a good thing when there is no improvement in either American or World Records to point to and they have in fact been lowered to make them more achievable for people using these new techniques?
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Re: New Utah State Record!
« Reply #15 on: Feb 05, 2009, 02:53 PM »

The most notable early examples of the high hip tech are Naim and possibly Kahki.  They have been followed by other Turks and Georgians, as well as almost all of the other top lifters, especially the Chinese.

The interesting exception seems to be Kolecki, perhaps due to his longish arms and/or trunk length.  He seems to make up for the lack of high hip advantage by making an especially powerful re-set (cocking) of the back during the last several inches before the pop.

Taylor may end up primarily emulating SK, but technique is a lifelong project (that you hope to settle on the best one for you at an early stage).

My take is that the record progress has been affected more by improved (if still less than half-way effective) drug testing -- lifters/coaches are trying every other advantage they can.  We actually seem to be in a sort of golden age of experimentation w/ things like grip width, etc.
I agree w/ Mark Davis --
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in a doomed effort to be liked
is as dishonest as it is futile."