Author Topic: Keeping the bar close to the body while going into third pull.....cues and help  (Read 2696 times)

Offline Paul LaDuke

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Arden,

I agree with Sjaak.  Your timing of your second pull is just a bit off.  You are popping your hips forward a bit too early and the bar is banging off your thighs and circling overhead.  If you can wait just a bit longer to pop those hips forward, the bar path should correct itself.  Scoop the bar along the thighs a bit longer and explode up when the bar reaches mid-thigh. 

Is there anyway you can slow down your video?  Post what you think is your worst rep at about 25% speed.  If you have Microsoft Movie Maker it can be done very easily.  Edit the video so that you have the one rep you want, go into "Effects", scroll down to "Slow Movie Down, Half", click and drag onto the clip 2 times.  Then render the movie clip.  Slowing it down really helps me out when I analyze my lifts.
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Offline Arden Cogar Jr.

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Sjaak,
 This makes a lot of sense!! Thanks once again for the input. I like the idea of dragging the bar up my thigh the pop and drop.  I'll try that tomorrow with my cleans.

  I hadn't thought this problem would be as a result of something early, but I've gone back and watched my and other videos and I think you're right.  Thanks again.

All the best,
 Arden

Hi Arden, I hope I won't clutter things up here, but you're doing great. Your "C" path at the top of your pull is evident in some lifts, like you say. It originates, imo, from earlier in the lift. When watching from the side, the bar is deviating from the "best path" too early, going forward, having to come back again too much. The squatting under is slow, necessitating more arm pulling again, compounding the rearward "C" movement of the bar at the top. Maybe the "high" hangs compound the problem too, at this stage. But, your form is still very good for 8 weeks practice. It's better than mine was at that time.

Try to keep bar contact with the thighs as long as possible, postponing the "explosion" and keeping the bar from going forward too much, and try for a fast squat under, not necessarily earlier, that is, don't cut the pull short. You could replace the "high" hang with hang snatches from just above the knee, and force yourself to drag the bar up the thigh from that point, and practice the squatting under.

Still, I think all you need is time.

Sjaak

Offline Arden Cogar Jr.

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Paul,
  I think you just hit the nail on the head.  I was watching some of my cleans, and I'm popping the bar when it's just above my knees (granted I do possess inordinately long arms for a short fellow - 76" from finger tip to finger tip at 70" tall), but it should be at mid thigh as you've described.

  Moreover, I'm see myself as popping my hips forward before my knees are extended.  I think?  But you're right, my timing is all off.

   I'm going to do as Sjaak has recommended and do hang movements to keep the bar on my thighs longer and tighter.

   I'm sorry, but I lack the technical expertise to slow-mo my videos.  I wish I had the ability.  I'll ask my IT goddess wife if she can help me out with that issue.

All the best,
 Arden

Arden,

I agree with Sjaak.  Your timing of your second pull is just a bit off.  You are popping your hips forward a bit too early and the bar is banging off your thighs and circling overhead.  If you can wait just a bit longer to pop those hips forward, the bar path should correct itself.  Scoop the bar along the thighs a bit longer and explode up when the bar reaches mid-thigh. 

Is there anyway you can slow down your video?  Post what you think is your worst rep at about 25% speed.  If you have Microsoft Movie Maker it can be done very easily.  Edit the video so that you have the one rep you want, go into "Effects", scroll down to "Slow Movie Down, Half", click and drag onto the clip 2 times.  Then render the movie clip.  Slowing it down really helps me out when I analyze my lifts.

Offline Arden Cogar Jr.

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Paul, Sjaak, and Ryan,
  I tried something today with my cleans and  I think it worked a bit. I'll youtube the videos later  tonight and attach them as soon as I get a chance.

   What I tried to do was be deliberately slow on my first pull to really focus on the bar path at that position.  I think it lead to me being more upright and behind the bar when I exploded with the second pull.  Well, explode as well as my novice tuces can explode.

   Would that make sense or help?  I'll try and slow down the videos and see.

  Thanks in advance to anyone who comments.

All the best,
 Arden

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got the footage from yesterday uploaded



I think it's a little better if I try to make that first pull slower.  But when I hit the pause/play bottom quickly I noticed that my head is not behind the bar when I'm reefing on it.  Timing is still off. I think?  Any input on this would be great appreciated.  I think it's going to be a matter of practicing this slow first pull, then reefing on the bar, then dropping as quick as I can.

Thoughts?  comments?  Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Oh, I put my muscle cleans and push presses/jerks after the cleans and my top set of sumo deads on there.

All the best,
 Arden

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A very nice session Arden, you deliberate deadlifting to the knees is a big improvement, well done! Don't worry too much about your timing being off, try to put the same deliberation above the knees as you put in below them.  Just like you do in you first pull, slow down when the bar gets above the knees, and do not "explode" until you feel some bar sliding. If you can do this in time, it'll be another step closer. The final "pop" should be when you are at least fully erect, otherwise the bar will go forward. Try sometime with the bar slowly pulling it along the thighs from just above the knees to full extension to feel the movement.  You mentioned the incomplete extension, well spotted, the ascent of the bar above the knees must come from the levering of hips-> forward, head-> backward, the arms just cables. Incomplete extension means inefficient pull.

Could you video some hang lifts from just above the knee, pulling the bar up the thighs? An excellent video for inspiration to practice the pulling up the thighs posted by Shaun is this: watch the second (snatch pull) and fourth (clean pull) exercises, where the Chines lifter is very deliberately practicing the bar movement above the knees.

http://weightliftingexchange.com/smf/index.php?topic=4946

Offline QuinKroschinski

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biggest thing ive noticed didnt read enough to know if you've been told i hope by now with all these peopel watching they should have told you but JUMP YOUR FEET.

Offline Arden Cogar Jr.

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Sjaak,
  I took what you said to heart with my session from yesterday.  I know I've got a long way to go, but I think doing my snatches and cleans like this will get me more deliberate as the wonderful video link you posted.  I hope I'm getting closer?

  Here's the snatches:



   Here's the snatch pulls:



Thanks again for the thought and commentary. 

All the best,
  Arden



A very nice session Arden, you deliberate deadlifting to the knees is a big improvement, well done! Don't worry too much about your timing being off, try to put the same deliberation above the knees as you put in below them.  Just like you do in you first pull, slow down when the bar gets above the knees, and do not "explode" until you feel some bar sliding. If you can do this in time, it'll be another step closer. The final "pop" should be when you are at least fully erect, otherwise the bar will go forward. Try sometime with the bar slowly pulling it along the thighs from just above the knees to full extension to feel the movement.  You mentioned the incomplete extension, well spotted, the ascent of the bar above the knees must come from the levering of hips-> forward, head-> backward, the arms just cables. Incomplete extension means inefficient pull.

Could you video some hang lifts from just above the knee, pulling the bar up the thighs? An excellent video for inspiration to practice the pulling up the thighs posted by Shaun is this: watch the second (snatch pull) and fourth (clean pull) exercises, where the Chines lifter is very deliberately practicing the bar movement above the knees.

http://weightliftingexchange.com/smf/index.php?topic=4946.msg19775#msg19775