Topic: Let's not get so fat and let's get faster log for the recreational axemen

[Jack]

 Arden, awesome workout, I enjoyed the videos again, thanks for posting. You progress swiftly; Your clean pulls are better I think. The hang cleans better even than the full cleans, because the bar is on the thighs at the start in the hang cleans. In the full cleans from the floor you could try to postpone the "explosion" until you feel the bar rubbing the thighs. This is quite hard to do, the lift will seem to go too slowly but you'll be surprised at the ease of lifting. I've added a Rob Macklem picture (I hope he doesn't mind) to show a perfect clean pull in this regard (imo)where the lifter is just in the explosion. I can't keep the bar this close so "late" in the pull yet.

sjaak smorenburg

[Arden Cogar Jr.]

Sjaak,
 Thank you very much and I don't mind at all.  I would encourage it!!! I need all the help I can get.

  I get exactly what your saying.  I need to get the bar on my thighs sooner during the full pulls?  I can do that.  Will take some effort, but I'll get there.

  Thanks so much for your input. 

All the best,
 Arden

Arden, awesome workout, I enjoyed the videos again, thanks for posting. You progress swiftly; Your clean pulls are better I think. The hang cleans better even than the full cleans, because the bar is on the thighs at the start in the hang cleans. In the full cleans from the floor you could try to postpone the "explosion" until you feel the bar rubbing the thighs. This is quite hard to do, the lift will seem to go too slowly but you'll be surprised at the ease of lifting. I've added a Rob Macklem picture (I hope he doesn't mind) to show a perfect clean pull in this regard (imo)where the lifter is just in the explosion. I can't keep the bar this close so "late" in the pull yet.

sjaak smorenburg

[Carl Darby]

Arden, your progress in the last few weeks has been nothing short of amazing. Correct me if I'm wrong Sjaak, but I think what he is trying to say is to wait a little longer, get the bar further up your thighs, before your explosion.

[Arden Cogar Jr.]

Arden, your progress in the last few weeks has been nothing short of amazing. Correct me if I'm wrong Sjaak, but I think what he is trying to say is to wait a little longer, get the bar further up your thighs, before your explosion.
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Carl and Sjaak,
   Thanks so much for the kind words.  I'm very OCD when it comes to performance.  I'll post some of my event training sometime when I'm working on a technical issue - it's tedious at best.  It comes to my aid when I'm looking to modify or change a flaw.

   I think I get what you're saying - keep the bar close and stand tall (don't cut the 2nd pull short), when I'm doing the full cleans.

  Is that closer to what Sjaak is meaning?  I hope so.  More to work on. 

  What I'm finding is that the flaws a I have in one lift carrys over to the other - so the drill work and changes I make will have impact upon both.  I think?

  Thanks again for the input.  Means a lot to me.

All the best,
  Arden

[Carl Darby]

In my interpretation, no that's not quite what he meant. (Although not cutting the second pull short is good too, I didn't mention that earlier for two reasons, first concentrate on one thing at a time, second, with those weights and your strength, a full second pull is going to fly up, you will have trouble avoiding a power clean and that's one thing I understand you are trying to avoid.) If you carefully watch your video, especially the side view, you will notice the hang cleans leave your thighs much further up than your cleans from the floor. It has to do with a more vertical torso in your hang cleans. In my opinion, the position you achieve in the hang cleans is more ideal than the one you hit in the full cleans.

[Jack]

Arden, your progress in the last few weeks has been nothing short of amazing. Correct me if I'm wrong Sjaak, but I think what he is trying to say is to wait a little longer, get the bar further up your thighs, before your explosion.

Yes, this is what I meant. Only try to wait with the final shrugging until you feel the bar on the thighs. Premature shrugging (exploding if you will) will make the bar go forward more. This you can't change fast, it'll only take time. For the rest, just continue as you are, I think you're doing great!

Sjaak Smorenburg

[Arden Cogar Jr.]

Arden, your progress in the last few weeks has been nothing short of amazing. Correct me if I'm wrong Sjaak, but I think what he is trying to say is to wait a little longer, get the bar further up your thighs, before your explosion.

Yes, this is what I meant. Only try to wait with the final shrugging until you feel the bar on the thighs. Premature shrugging (exploding if you will) will make the bar go forward more. This you can't change fast, it'll only take time. For the rest, just continue as you are, I think you're doing great!

Sjaak Smorenburg

GOT IT!!!!

keep the shrug (explosiveness) at the top of the movement or when I've reached full extension (as in the Tall or high hang cleans).  When I'm doing the full movements at the end of my complexes, i'm shrugging early and I'm not fully erect.  I think?  That I can rectify.  May result in slowly down a little bit and being overly deliberate, but I can do it with an understanding I'm looking to do it as properly as I can.

Thanks so much for the input.

All the best,
 Arden

[Jack]

Yes Arden, that's it. And a good way to do it is to wait with the final shrug until you feel the bar on the thighs.

Sjaak