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Offline Brooke Burkhalter

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Re: Snatch technique question
« Reply #8 on: Oct 09, 2008, 07:35 AM »
You shouldn't be snatching near max very often if you have bad technique. Your statements are contradictory. On one hand you want a clear head, on the other hand you want the lifter to review tape and make adjustments. The only way to make adjustments is by consciously altering motor patterns. This is done through the use of cues. Working with a stick is a start but that does not transfer over to heavier weights alone. It needs to be built up in stages.
 There is a difference between snatching a max weight and a sub maximal weight with cues. It has been made very clear by many top international coaches that you should focus on learning proper technique first with the use of cues before going on to attempting maximal loads often and not thinking about anything. You can tell a lifter just to snatch but then it is the job of the coach to tell the lifter what to change. The only way to make those changes is by the athlete making a conscious mental decision to do so, it just doesn't happen by hearing it or seeing it on tape.



Barry Bonds thinks about specific technical aspects of his hitting while taking batting PRACTICE. That's what training is for a lifter. It is practice. You certainly want a clear head on maximal attempts but when you don't have the proper technique what is the point of just going up there and trying to move the barbell as fast as possible? Beginners should not be training like elites therefore they should not be taking many max attempts and should focus their energy on grasping the technical aspects of the lifts. Motor patterns need to be developed and they have been proven to be developed very effectively in many sports through the use of mental cues.

For what it is worth, what we do is:

Say a session of 85-90% we would lift with a cue in mind before the rep. For example I would tend to tense up before a rep in the shoulders and arms when the weights get heavier. So we cue relaxed arms and shoulders before the rep, etc. We cue something that needs correcting if there is a need.

When we attempt maxes we try to clear the head and be automatic and not over think the lift.

My coach, who is through correspondence currently, feels cues are important and effective when training, practicing whatever you want to call it. He feels in competition you want to clear the mind if at all possible. He also coaches track and field and that is how they handle things in that sport, for the most part. Cue in practice, one or two cues, try to be automatic when competing.

Thanks for all the help and insight guys.

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Re: Snatch technique question
« Reply #9 on: Oct 09, 2008, 10:17 AM »
Both Ryan and Dave make very good points.

I would add that it may help to watch vid of the Chinese, Georgian, and other top lifters who ENGAGE their hip thrust in a way that BOTH...

... kicks the barbell upward and the body downward.

THAT'S what makes a full SN.

I have been amazed by the results of my re-education on this point of tech (in the last 2 mo) after more than 2 decades of enjoying this sport.

Such action is the HEART of quickness.

I have also been getting great effect from the kind of hip-loading that Kolecki is such a great example of.
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Re: Snatch technique question
« Reply #10 on: Oct 09, 2008, 01:43 PM »
Both Ryan and Dave make very good points.

I would add that it may help to watch vid of the Chinese, Georgian, and other top lifters who ENGAGE their hip thrust in a way that BOTH...

... kicks the barbell upward and the body downward.

THAT'S what makes a full SN.

I have been amazed by the results of my re-education on this point of tech (in the last 2 mo) after more than 2 decades of enjoying this sport.

Such action is the HEART of quickness.

I have also been getting great effect from the kind of hip-loading that Kolecki is such a great example of.

Funny you mention that. I almost always watch LU YONG before lifting. And sometimes Kolecki, Berestov, Dimas, Klokov, and Boevski. I understand Dimas flaws and watch him typically for inspiration. I will try to watch some more Yong and see if I can pick up what you are talking about.

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Re: Snatch technique question
« Reply #11 on: Oct 10, 2008, 10:43 AM »
Both Ryan and Dave make very good points.

I would add that it may help to watch vid of the Chinese, Georgian, and other top lifters who ENGAGE their hip thrust in a way that BOTH...

... kicks the barbell upward and the body downward.

THAT'S what makes a full SN.

I have been amazed by the results of my re-education on this point of tech (in the last 2 mo) after more than 2 decades of enjoying this sport.

Such action is the HEART of quickness.

I have also been getting great effect from the kind of hip-loading that Kolecki is such a great example of.

Dave are your referring to the way a lot of the Chinese use almost a "hip-kick" at the top of the pull?

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Re: Snatch technique question
« Reply #12 on: Oct 10, 2008, 04:04 PM »
Yes, you see many others do it too.

It's why many go w/ a wider foot stance than used to be the norm, since the feet don't jump out as much as w/ the triple-joint-extension.

Like I said, it really sends you down as the bar goes up -- works for power SN w/ lighter wt, but much more conducive for full SN.

It does have a slight tendency to kick the bar fwd, but you can correct that before long.
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Re: Snatch technique question
« Reply #13 on: Oct 17, 2008, 09:36 PM »
How about some technique help.

Snatch and CJ

Snatch - I am unstable in the bottom pos at times. I am pretty much catching this weight at power snatch depth.

CJ -  some definite arm bend I would like to get rid of. I seem to be bending the arms when sweeping the bar in. Also imo i have a little hitch I would like to get rid of. I am also soft in the bottom on CJ as well.

Please keep in mind I havebeen lifting for 3-4 months on my own.

Thanks for any help!

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Re: Snatch technique question
« Reply #14 on: Oct 17, 2008, 09:40 PM »
Training alone takes heart. Good footage, nice camera, nice angle, nice lighting. In the snatch, your main problem is not smoothly riding the weight down to a full squat. In the clean, you also need to ride the weight down to a full squat position before rising. In the jerk, your hand position is too crowded together. Spread the elbows apart with all your finders wrapped around the bar. Ignore those who say you can jerk from the fingertips.
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Re: Snatch technique question
« Reply #15 on: Oct 17, 2008, 10:25 PM »
Training alone takes heart. Good footage, nice camera, nice angle, nice lighting. In the snatch, your main problem is not smoothly riding the weight down to a full squat. In the clean, you also need to ride the weight down to a full squat position before rising. In the jerk, your hand position is too crowded together. Spread the elbows apart with all your finders wrapped around the bar. Ignore those who say you can jerk from the fingertips.

Thanks Chris!

So you don't think the premature arm bend in clean is too much of a big deal?

Training alone is tough at times but I will succeed. I could always run the Bulgarian training hall on video.