Author Topic: News: Weightlifting still struggling to escape its sordid history  (Read 5372 times)

Offline Chris Ⓐ LeRoux

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I think Matt was exaggerating slightly out of understandable frustration. I do not believe quite such a broad statement is accurate, though I feel it is in the ballpark. I used to be an avid supporter of drug testing but now feel it is useless. The end result is a system that will never work, is not even intended to work, is corrupt, and which punishes the innocent along with the guilty. I'd like to see drug testing eliminated entirely though I think that is about as likely as drug testing actually eliminating doping.
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I think Matt was exaggerating slightly out of understandable frustration. I do not believe quite such a broad statement is accurate, though I feel it is in the ballpark. I used to be an avid supporter of drug testing but now feel it is useless. The end result is a system that will never work, is not even intended to work, is corrupt, and which punishes the innocent along with the guilty. I'd like to see drug testing eliminated entirely though I think that is about as likely as drug testing actually eliminating doping.

Jeez, that's a bit of a downer.

Someone in the thread mentioned that the testing methods in USA are effective. I know it is a long shot but if the other countries implemented the same testing procedures as the US would it decrease doping significantly? Or is the US testing method not without its flaws either? What has the IWF got to say about it? Have they any influence on the National bodies?

Sorry if I'm asking loads of questions, I just find it difficult to cope with the idea of doping being so pervasive.

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I did a Google search for "IWF anti-doping" and this came up:

http://www.iwf.net/anti_doping/anti_news.php

Shows countries with positive lifters between 1st Jan 08 and 31st Dec 08.

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Someone in the thread mentioned that the testing methods in USA are effective. I know it is a long shot but if the other countries implemented the same testing procedures as the US would it decrease doping significantly? Or is the US testing method not without its flaws either? What has the IWF got to say about it? Have they any influence on the National bodies? Sorry if I'm asking loads of questions, I just find it difficult to cope with the idea of doping being so pervasive.

The system in the USA is pretty effective though its becoming more burdensome for the lifters for no good reason over time. There are also many Nations using a similar system. Problem is that many Nations do not cooperate with the effort and actively help defeat it. Plus, the IWF is completely corrupt. Drug testing is useless internationally.
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The system in the USA is pretty effective though its becoming more burdensome for the lifters for no good reason over time. There are also many Nations using a similar system. Problem is that many Nations do not cooperate with the effort and actively help defeat it. Plus, the IWF is completely corrupt. Drug testing is useless internationally.

That's terrible. Doesn't the IWF care that the IOC might take weightlifting off of the Olympic sports roster if Doping is not cleared up? Has the IOC put any pressure on the IWF in this regard?

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Cillian,

Those are good and open questions. I know that WADA is not pleased with the IWF but there is nothing they can do about it. The IOC is also corrupt. IMO, drug testing will simply never work. There are too many people who accept doping, at all levels, and too much corruption. Its a waste of resources to even try to stop it IMO.
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Cillian,

Those are good and open questions. I know that WADA is not pleased with the IWF but there is nothing they can do about it. The IOC is also corrupt. IMO, drug testing will simply never work. There are too many people who accept doping, at all levels, and too much corruption. Its a waste of resources to even try to stop it IMO.

Thanks for taking the time to respond to my questions. I appreciate that they are open-ended and difficult questions.

In your opinion, should we be worried about weightlifting being removed from the Olympics in the next decade or so? As in, the IOC unable to solve doping across all sports gets rid of weightlifting to set some sort of example. Is this a possibility? Or would it be too cumbersome for the IOC to remove weightlifting from the Olympics?

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Cillian,

I am surprised we haven't already been kicked out. I really can only attribute it to the fact that the system is completely corrupt at this point. But, who knows?
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